How much would you charge?

10secdream said:
Must be tinted clearcoat because I do get black paint transfer on my pad.
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Yea that'll be normal. Were your towels getting black transfer?

I am asking as it is a scion and even though 202 is a common colour across the Toyota-Lexus range, some have the tinted clear and some don't.
 
Yes my towels were getting some black transfer. I always assumed it was single stage paint because of how soft it was and the paint transfer. Learn something new everyday.
 
Single stage is like bad meat. When you get it, you really know!

Single stage is very gummy and you nearly have to clean out the pad every panel. Anything and everything that touches it turns the colour of the paint and is somewhat messy.

It was phased out a while ago as it is harder to spray and no where near as durable as base clear. Sprays flatter though (less orange peel). Although ford and a few other companies use it on white for fleet vehicles.

Tinted clear is not very common, but almost every company uses/used it at some point. Very easy to mistake as single stage if you haven't worked on single stage before.
 
So, I did some test spots with what I had. First I sprayed the trunk with UWW+ and cleaned it. Then I clayed.

First was LC yellow CCS pad w/PWS, then LC Orange Hydro pad with D151, last was the Meg's MF system.

I wish I had a blue hydro pad to use with the D151...

Had him look at it and he was pleased with the MF system result. And he specifically told me to go with that. He said it was good enough. So he's not going to be picky and want it Autogeek quality. As I read in Mike's book do the level the customer wants. I talked to him about tick marks and such and I think he's just looking for a slick shine and less swirls.

Now, I did the SS test. It's not SS. However, it may be tinted CC. My pads had some grey in them as you can see in the pics.

It was a overcast day so pics were hard to see in the camera.
 
Could be oxidation mixed with product doesn't look too bad for doing multiple passes.
 
I wouldn't be too worried that it is tinted clear coat. At the end of the day you still have a base/clear coat paint system.
 
I wasn't super impressed with the MF system as I thought.

It did good but I remember it being better on a friends Ford Fusion I tested it on.


I couldn't get pics of the paint unfortunately. He even broke out his bagillion dollar camera and couldn't get a good shot of the paint
 
Andr3wilson said:
Single stage?

You sure it's SS and not a tinted clear? Toyota phased out SS a long time ago.
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This is from another forum, in response to a query from a member:

Dear Mr. XXXXXXX:

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We appreciate the opportunity to address your inquiry.

The Super White paint applied to your Tundra is a single stage paint coating. Vehicles painted with non-metallic colors have no clear coat finish. Paint colors that are available in a metallic or pearl will have a clear coat finish.

We hope this information has been helpful.

If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,

Ivette Moreno
Toyota Customer Experience

Not to mention this has been discussed ad nauseam all over the place, and folks are saying to this day that their vehicles are SS paint. Todd Helme has said that he thought ALL manufacturers stopped SS back in the 90's, (as far back as 07 or so) but has since figured out that simply isn't true. Heck, even Kevin/HateSwirls said this year (April on this forum) that his was single stage.

The one thing with Toyota though seems to be WHERE it was built, (even here in the US there have been the same vehicles with different paint systems on them). :dunno:

Grifffx4 said:
So I'm worried this mean it's tinted CC...

Maybe it's just oxidation?
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I wouldn't be worried about tint coat. My wife's Denali has that very same "Red Jewel Tint Coat" and the first time I buffed it I wondered what in the heck was going on. (Pads turning red.) Then it dawned on me.... duhhhhh!:rolleyes:
 
expdetailing said:
I cannot find the thread(s) you are referring to, could you please provide a link.
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There have been dozens (if not hundreds) of threads where people polished out the entire car and thought it looked great in the garage. Then when they saw it in full sun or under different lighting conditions there were still swirls or bad hazing.

This is primarily because they did not perform a test spot or properly inspect the paint while working.

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Nicholas@Autowerx said:
There have been dozens (if not hundreds) of threads where people polished out the entire car and thought it looked great in the garage. Then when they saw it in full sun or under different lighting conditions there were still swirls or bad hazing.

This is primarily because they did not perform a test spot or properly inspect the paint while working.

Sent from my N9810 using AG Online
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Not inspecting the paint properly is just bad practice; nothing more, nothing less. If your idea, as well as others, of a "test spot" means hitting the area with a light, then great. That's what you should be doing.
 
10secdream said:
I have a Scion tC that has Toyota black 202 paint (single stage) and it is the softest paint I have ever encountered. Here is the level of correction I achieved using HD polish and a white buff and shine polishing pad.

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:applause:
 
cardaddy said:
This is from another forum, in response to a query from a member:

Dear Mr. XXXXXXX:

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We appreciate the opportunity to address your inquiry.

The Super White paint applied to your Tundra is a single stage paint coating. Vehicles painted with non-metallic colors have no clear coat finish. Paint colors that are available in a metallic or pearl will have a clear coat finish.

We hope this information has been helpful.

If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,

Ivette Moreno
Toyota Customer Experience

Not to mention this has been discussed ad nauseam all over the place, and folks are saying to this day that their vehicles are SS paint. Todd Helme has said that he thought ALL manufacturers stopped SS back in the 90's, (as far back as 07 or so) but has since figured out that simply isn't true. Heck, even Kevin/HateSwirls said this year (April on this forum) that his was single stage.

The one thing with Toyota though seems to be WHERE it was built, (even here in the US there have been the same vehicles with different paint systems on them). :dunno:



I wouldn't be worried about tint coat. My wife's Denali has that very same "Red Jewel Tint Coat" and the first time I buffed it I wondered what in the heck was going on. (Pads turning red.) Then it dawned on me.... duhhhhh!:rolleyes:
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Sorry I have to correct you,

White, yes that is SS, but black stopped a long time ago. (Ford and GM use SS too for their fleet services).

I am speaking from experience here, my production bay details 120 cars a month, and in part, we 2 toyota dealership for new car prep and polishing used cars. Along with a number of other dealerships and Canada Wide Auctions

In essence I have seen a couple cars in my day. On every model with exception to Tundra and Tacoma, 202 uses a tint coat (other ones are clear, this applies to Lexus and Scion as well - tinted), not SS. Actually also to add to this, we have done a couple of 2014 solid white Tundras as well, those were base/clear.

I am going to believe what I see on the car in front of me, before I believe a customer service email on a forum. If you choose not to, no harm.
 
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