How Thick is Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish?

[Nick McKees37]

I've received about 5 PMs this morning with the question "how thick is the new Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish?"

I like to answer a question with a picture when I can...

When your vehicle was painted at the factory, great care was taken to prepare the surface to ensure that the delicate paint system would remain intact for the life of the vehicle. The same care needs to be taken when preparing the surface for a Diamond coating.

The most important step in prepping the surface for application of a Diamond coating is to use Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish. If you do not use Surface Cleansing Polish before applying one of the Diamond coatings, the result will be complete failure of the coating.

Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish is a non-abrasive, water-based polish that gently removes embedded dirt and grime, restoring a natural brilliance to your vehicle’s paintwork. Use this thick cream to prep your vehicle’s paint, wheels, and glass for application of a Black Label Diamond coating. Water-based formulation promotes proper bonding thanks to its wax, silicone, and oil free formula; polished surfaces can be coated immediately after application.

Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish is a thick cream that can be applied by hand or machine. For this application, I used a Lake Country EZ-Grip Hydro-Tech TANGERINE Hand Applicator.

Review & How-To: Black Label Diamond Paint Coating

Pinnacle Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish

 

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

Thanks for bringing this to the forum where all can see.

 

[john c.]

Would like too know the temp range of the Black Label products.
I do not have a garage but still weather permitting clean my car. Thanks in advance.

 

[Evan.J]

Thanks Nick!

Really looking forward to giving this line a go!

 

[Velocitybts]

"If you do not use Surface Cleansing Polish before applying one of the Diamond coatings, the result will be complete failure of the coating."

This has me wondering. To me this sounds like you have to buy this product, or have this product to even put on the Diamond Coating. What is in this that make it a must buy for the coating.

I would think a IPA wipe down, to make sure the surface is absolutely clear of any residue, would do the trick so the coatings can bond with the CC. Numerous other products have this same type of warning, or product to match the coatings. GTechniq is one for sure.

Why would I need to use a product to clean and remove any debris when I just did a claying then Two- Step correction and a IPA wipe down??? There is no need to clean it and definitely no debris to pull out. Unless there is something specific to the Diamond line in the product. That is the unknown, but I wish someone would tell us so we don't have to make a 50$ purchase to test and find out.

Just some thoughts on this

 

[Nick McKees37]

"If you do not use Surface Cleansing Polish before applying one of the Diamond coatings, the result will be complete failure of the coating."

This has me wondering. To me this sounds like you have to buy this product, or have this product to even put on the Diamond Coating. What is in this that make it a must buy for the coating.

I would think a IPA wipe down, to make sure the surface is absolutely clear of any residue, would do the trick so the coatings can bond with the CC. Numerous other products have this same type of warning, or product to match the coatings. GTechniq is one for sure.

Why would I need to use a product to clean and remove any debris when I just did a claying then Two- Step correction and a IPA wipe down??? There is no need to clean it and definitely no debris to pull out. Unless there is something specific to the Diamond line in the product. That is the unknown, but I wish someone would tell us so we don't have to make a 50$ purchase to test and find out.

Just some thoughts on this

IPA doesn't always remove 100% of the polishing oils, fillers, silicones, and waxes that are on the surface. In order for a coating to properly bond to the surface, all of the above must be removed. Plus, IPA is very grabby, making it easy to mar the finish you just spent hours perfecting. This is what we call working backwards.

Surface Cleansing Polish is actually $29.99, and a little bit goes a long way. One bottle is enough for quite a few applications.

:dblthumb2:

 

[swanicyouth]

"If you do not use Surface Cleansing Polish before applying one of the Diamond coatings, the result will be complete failure of the coating."

This has me wondering. To me this sounds like you have to buy this product, or have this product to even put on the Diamond Coating. What is in this that make it a must buy for the coating.

I would think a IPA wipe down, to make sure the surface is absolutely clear of any residue, would do the trick so the coatings can bond with the CC. Numerous other products have this same type of warning, or product to match the coatings. GTechniq is one for sure.

Why would I need to use a product to clean and remove any debris when I just did a claying then Two- Step correction and a IPA wipe down??? There is no need to clean it and definitely no debris to pull out. Unless there is something specific to the Diamond line in the product. That is the unknown, but I wish someone would tell us so we don't have to make a 50$ purchase to test and find out.

Just some thoughts on this

You should test it. You should get all the Pinnacle coatings, polish your car, and coat it - without using the surface prep.

Fill us in what happens.

 

[ski2]

How about using DG Squeaky Clean?? It's essentially the same type of product--a cream based cleaner that leaves nothing behind to prep paint for coatings. Only $10 per 8 oz bottle.

 

[Nick McKees37]

How about using DG Squeaky Clean?? It's essentially the same type of product--a cream based cleaner that leaves nothing behind to prep paint for coatings. Only $10 per 8 oz bottle.

I'm not too familiar with DG Squeaky Clean, but from what I've heard you can use it and go right to a coating as well. I can't confirm or deny that it's going to be compatible with the Black Label Coatings.

For something like this, it's best to stick with the manufacturer's recommendations. Worst case scenario, ff the coating doesn't bond with another product, you'll just have to re-start the process and use what the manufacturer recommends.

 

[jpegs13]

IPA doesn't always remove 100% of the polishing oils, fillers, silicones, and waxes that are on the surface. In order for a coating to properly bond to the surface, all of the above must be removed. Plus, IPA is very grabby, making it easy to mar the finish you just spent hours perfecting. This is what we call working backwards.

Surface Cleansing Polish is actually $29.99, and a little bit goes a long way. One bottle is enough for quite a few applications.

:dblthumb2:

So far, I've done a Cadillac Escalade ESV, a Bentley GTC and a Jeep Grand Cherokee and I have about 1/2 a bottle left

 

[cardaddy]

"If you do not use Surface Cleansing Polish before applying one of the Diamond coatings, the result will be complete failure of the coating."

This has me wondering. To me this sounds like you have to buy this product, or have this product to even put on the Diamond Coating. What is in this that make it a must buy for the coating.

I would think a IPA wipe down, to make sure the surface is absolutely clear of any residue, would do the trick so the coatings can bond with the CC. Numerous other products have this same type of warning, or product to match the coatings. GTechniq is one for sure.

Why would I need to use a product to clean and remove any debris when I just did a claying then Two- Step correction and a IPA wipe down??? There is no need to clean it and definitely no debris to pull out. Unless there is something specific to the Diamond line in the product. That is the unknown, but I wish someone would tell us so we don't have to make a 50$ purchase to test and find out.

Just some thoughts on this

Seems logical that the same methodology in place for say cQuartz would surely work for BL, you'd think. :dunno: Heck, it even works with Eraser! And yes yes yes yes I've seen plenty of threads discussing Eraser not being 'totally clean', but you get my drift here.

Myself, and plenty of others have been mixing Eraser and IPA forever without any bad results coming from it. Of course ymmv. :dunno:

Of course from the AG end of things they are going to say use this with this with this and of course this. What is they say..... synergy. It'll surely synergize your wallet getting every little bottle along the way.

FWIW I have the new coating on the right side of my wife's Denali both with and without the cream, so guess we'll find out in a few months. Surely didn't hurt the deep gloss I can tell you that!

I can say that I applied it, (the cream) by hand with a yellow foam throwaway applicator (and was worried about scratching from the foam itself). Takes literally drops per panel and it made things seriously squeaky clean!

Were they cleaner than with Eraser/IPA? Dunno' as one was wiped with a MF towel, the other with the little foam applicator. Maybe put the Eraser/IPA on with the foam applicator next time and see if it gives that 'squeaky' feeling. Again....:dunno:

If I can ever get a resolution on this disc in my back, to the point where I can do the left side then I'll do some more experimentation. For now, I can't even go down the two steps to the freaking garage! Until then I may just leave the left side with a coating of WG or BF WOWA. It's that or get my kid to do it. Like THAT will happen! :nomore:

 

[FUNX650]

I'm really curious about:

What's the rhyme and reason for folks actually PM'ing Nick@AGO to inquire about
the thickness of Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish in the first place?

......Bob......

 

[Velocitybts]

Seems logical that the same methodology in place for say cQuartz would surely work for BL, you'd think. :dunno: Heck, it even works with Eraser! And yes yes yes yes I've seen plenty of threads discussing Eraser not being 'totally clean', but you get my drift here.

Myself, and plenty of others have been mixing Eraser and IPA forever without any bad results coming from it. Of course ymmv. :dunno:

Of course from the AG end of things they are going to say use this with this with this and of course this. What is they say..... synergy. It'll surely synergize your wallet getting every little bottle along the way.

FWIW I have the new coating on the right side of my wife's Denali both with and without the cream, so guess we'll find out in a few months. Surely didn't hurt the deep gloss I can tell you that!

I can say that I applied it, (the cream) by hand with a yellow foam throwaway applicator (and was worried about scratching from the foam itself). Takes literally drops per panel and it made things seriously squeaky clean!

Were they cleaner than with Eraser/IPA? Dunno' as one was wiped with a MF towel, the other with the little foam applicator. Maybe put the Eraser/IPA on with the foam applicator next time and see if it gives that 'squeaky' feeling. Again....:dunno:

If I can ever get a resolution on this disc in my back, to the point where I can do the left side then I'll do some more experimentation. For now, I can't even go down the two steps to the freaking garage! Until then I may just leave the left side with a coating of WG or BF WOWA. It's that or get my kid to do it. Like THAT will happen! :nomore:

Thanks Cardaddy,
That is exactly what my thoughts are. However Nick's info was good also. Really, if you are getting the 129$ Coatings, not that big of a deal to grab the Cream. That would ensure and since another member posted that plenty of vehicles can be done by one bottle, why not get it. Makes sense.

 

[fightnews]

I'm really curious about:

What's the rhyme and reason for folks actually PM'ing Nick@AGO to inquire about
the thickness of Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish in the first place?

......Bob......

Probably because the polish can separate and come out like a liquid if the emulsion breaks. I had a problem with this happening after the bottle getting to hot in the garage the best I can tell. Not good, the solids turned into "powdery balls" and put some micro swirls in my paint.

I did a panel wipe with the n914 at 8 to 1 instead. I can testify it didn't work as good as the surface cleansing polish. I gotta get another bottle and keep it inside this time