How to remove tiny pinhole pits in glass windows using a rotary buffer

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How to remove tiny pinhole pits in glass windows using a rotary buffer


Here's a project I tackled this last Monday morning. In order to see the tiny pinhole pits in the glass you have to inspect for them early in the morning or late in the afternoon when the sun is out and low in the sky to expose the defects on the surface of the glass.

I used the finger technique explained here to capture the pinhole pits...

How-To capture swirls, scratches, etchings and other surface defects with your camera


Not sure how the tiny pinhole pits got into the glass but using my finger to enable the camera to focus on the glass surface you can see them here...

Tiny tiny tiny pinhole pits in the glass

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Glass Polishing is VERY MESSY

All the glass polishes I've used are water based and best results are achieved when you use a rotary buffer. Rotary buffers tend to throw splatter dots via inertia with any liquid, especially if you over use the product but it's even more of a problem with a very liquid product and that applies to glass polishes.

One of the reasons is that since glass polishes are water based and rotary buffers generate heat, the water evaporates fairly quickly while you still have good abrasives still on the glass. To get more use out of the abrasives I mist on some water and continue buffing and the addition of the water re-liquefies the polish but also causes splatter dots to sling off the glass polishing pads and discs.

Take my word for it, if you ever do any glass polishing with a rotary buffer you want and need to cover all adjacent panels or you'll be wiping abrasive glass polish off all these surfaces when you're finished.

Soft Autogeek Cover Up Towels with painters tape used to cover and protect the paint

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To remove the pits out of the glass I used some of my personal stock of Diamondite Glass Resurfacing Creme, which we're currently out of stock. To apply the Glass Resurfacing Creme I used


Lake Country 5.5" Glass Polishing Pad
Lake Country 5 Inch Glass Cutting Pads 3 Pack
Flex PE14 Rotary Buffer
Flex-Foam HD Rotary Backing Plate

Note: The Glass Cutting discs are hard and thin, that's their characteristic, just an observation, not a negative or positive comment. The point is they are thin and hard and glass is hard so one thing that helps a lot when buffing glass is to use the glass cutting discs with a flexible backing plate which helps make the buffing process smoother.

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I buffed the glass twice, the first time with the thin class cutting discs on around 1800 RPM and lots of firm downward pressure. The wiped the glass clean and re-buffed using the foam glass polishing pad at 1500 RPM starting with firm downward pressure and then lessening the downward pressure for the last have of the polishing process.


Clarity restored

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After removing all the protective toweling I wiped the car down with Pinnacle Souveran Liquid Spray Wax

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Don't learn the hard way... anytime you do any glass polishing, cover and protect the paint on the car you're working on and any car parked next to the car you're working on.


:)
 
no 50/50's Mike?

just kidding. I think this is the first such writeup on glass I've seen.

Thanks!
 
Mike great work! With those pads/Bp how large of a section of glass were you buffing out? I've noticed if you try and stick with the normal 2x2ft the polish tends to dry out a bit to fast causing the pad to get real grabby and jump off the glass, this is with the griots kit though. Just wondering since I've never gotten to use the lc setup yet. Thanks for any info :)
 
Nice work! I love a flawless windshield. Mercedes did such an incredible job on the CLS.. That thing is jaw dropping.
 
Mike great work! With those pads/Bp how large of a section of glass were you buffing out?

You are wise grasshopper...

I broke the windshield into 4 quadrants, two on each side, upper and lower sections.

I've noticed if you try and stick with the normal 2x2ft the polish tends to dry out a bit to fast causing the pad to get real grabby and jump off the glass,

Correct. Because of the heat generated by a rotating pad against the glass the water evaporates and the buffing cycle is short. For this reason you've better off to shrink the size of your work area downward.

Just for anyone that might work in warm temperatures on glass or paint, I cover this issue here,

Tips for working in warm/hot weather or direct sunlight

Excerpt...

Mike Phillips said:
Shrink your work area down to a smaller size...
Anytime a product becomes difficult to work with, one tip you can try is to shrink down the size of your work area. This means you spread the product out over a smaller area and because you're engaging the working film of product over the area more quickly as you move the polisher there's less time for the product to dry.


this is with the Griot's kit though. Just wondering since I've never gotten to use the LC setup yet. Thanks for any info :)

The LC and GG glass cutting discs look to be similar types of products. Next time I do some glass polishing I use the Griot's and take some pictures and post some feedback.


:)
 
Thanks Mike, as usual great info and thanks for tips :) I'm out of glass polishing disc, guess I could try some lc's. I've found other uses for these disc but that's for another thread :)
 
Great job and great thread Mike! As stated before I'm not sure anyone has a thread like this? Do you cover glass polishing in either of your classes? I guess it would fall more in line with your 102 class.


Thanks Mike, as usual great info and thanks for tips :) I'm out of glass polishing disc, guess I could try some lc's. I've found other uses for these disc but that's for another thread :)

Do tell :D
 
Thank YOU!!!! Finally a post answering the question I have been struggling with, the final hurtle in my detailing quest to master. I just recently purchased all three, before this post. I've used the glass polishing pad with the creme on some very very very I mean very hard water spotted windows, unfortunately it didn't do much, I was tempted to use the hard disc, but I wasn't sure how to go about using them plus it was a customers car and Id rather try it on my own first. One question, any worries or precaution when using the hard disc with warping the window due to excessive heat buildup, I understand the need to keep the buffer moving, but just wonder if there's anything else to be noted on this process. THANKS SO MUCH AGAIN!!!!!
 

Has to do with super hard gel coats, not related to windows so I was gonna try and keep the post on topic :) I don't have much computer time so my reviews/experiences learned are very limited unless I find something that will help a broader range of people and polishing gel coat doesn't get talked about much :p
 
Mike, thanks a ton for this. You just answered the question to my other thread I started a couple days ago. Great help!
 
MIKE, I could really use some help with this one, like I posted previously I purchased everything you used, except for I just realized that the diamondnite polish i got was not the resurfacing cream but the glassworks restoring polish, not sure if there the same, and at the time of purchase only the smaller glass cutting disc were available, which i used a smaller backing plate that didnt completely make contact with all of the disc, I did get the 5.5 yellow polish pad. Following what you did I tried a small area to test and well completely #$%^ up my that spot, I wish I had a picture to show you, I was able to buff out about 75% of the mess out with some heavy compounding, menzerna pg and orange pad, but you can still see it, I honestly dont know what I did wrong and I dont know how to go from here, I really need some help with this one, is there anyway to contact you personally or could you maybe go into a little more details about the process. I did throughly clean the window beforehand including claying and iron x. My initial goal was to remove some marks in the window from the previous owner who must have let the wiper blades get to old, basically scratches in the path that the wiper takes. I did try to follow up with the yellow glass pad but it didnt really do anything. Idk, your the master at this stuff I could really use some advice, thanks.
 
MIKE, I could really use some help with this one, like I posted previously I purchased everything you used, except for I just realized that the diamondnite polish i got was not the resurfacing cream but the glassworks restoring polish, not sure if there the same, and at the time of purchase only the smaller glass cutting disc were available, which i used a smaller backing plate that didnt completely make contact with all of the disc, I did get the 5.5 yellow polish pad. Following what you did I tried a small area to test and well completely #$%^ up my that spot, I wish I had a picture to show you, I was able to buff out about 75% of the mess out with some heavy compounding, menzerna pg and orange pad, but you can still see it, I honestly dont know what I did wrong and I dont know how to go from here, I really need some help with this one, is there anyway to contact you personally or could you maybe go into a little more details about the process. I did throughly clean the window beforehand including claying and iron x. My initial goal was to remove some marks in the window from the previous owner who must have let the wiper blades get to old, basically scratches in the path that the wiper takes. I did try to follow up with the yellow glass pad but it didnt really do anything. Idk, your the master at this stuff I could really use some advice, thanks.

check out my thread in this same forum... I had the same problem. Pictures in this post: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/diamondite/38072-swirls-glass.html#post536668

you do NOT want to use Diamondite "glass restorer" with the Lake Country Pads. It will cost you a new windshield, since the "resurfacing creme" has been backordered for quite some time now. :mad:
 
MIKE, I could really use some help with this one, like I posted previously I purchased everything you used, except for I just realized that the Diamondite polish i got was not the resurfacing cream but the glassworks restoring polish, not sure if there the same,

They are not the same, one can remove gunk off the surface, the other can remove glass by abrading it without leaving behind it's own scratch pattern.




and at the time of purchase only the smaller glass cutting disc were available, which i used a smaller backing plate that didnt completely make contact with all of the disc, I did get the 5.5 yellow polish pad. Following what you did I tried a small area to test and well completely #$%^ up my that spot, I wish I had a picture to show you, I was able to buff out about 75% of the mess out with some heavy compounding, menzerna pg and orange pad, but you can still see it, I honestly dont know what I did wrong and

Just to double check, you purchased the Lake Country 4" Glass Cutting Pads?

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And then used these discs with a DA or a Rotary Buffer?




I dont know how to go from here, I really need some help with this one, is there anyway to contact you personally or could you maybe go into a little more details about the process. I did throughly clean the window beforehand including claying and iron x. My initial goal was to remove some marks in the window from the previous owner who must have let the wiper blades get to old, basically scratches in the path that the wiper takes. I did try to follow up with the yellow glass pad but it didnt really do anything. Idk, your the master at this stuff I could really use some advice, thanks.

You can reach me here at work at 1-800-869-3011 x206

I'm looking into the results you got in this thread and also this thread.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/diamondite/38072-swirls-glass.html

:)
 
Mike can you send me a link to the resurfacing creme please. I can't seem to find it in the store. I have these pits on my Camaro from driving it in the winter for the past two years. Thanks.
 
Yep thats the exact result i got, luckily i did a small test area first, i was able to make it a little better with an orange pad and menzerna pg, but there are still swirls and apparently I didnt do good enough research and used the wrong polish combo, as mike has said the glass restorer doesnt work with the cutting pads, which I did, you have to use the resurfacing cream, so I guess theres still hope in the matter, hopefully the resurfacing cream will work.

check out my thread in this same forum... I had the same problem. Pictures in this post: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/diamondite/38072-swirls-glass.html#post536668

you do NOT want to use Diamondite "glass restorer" with the Lake Country Pads. It will cost you a new windshield, since the "resurfacing creme" has been backordered for quite some time now. :mad:
 
Mike,

thanks again for taking such a concerning issue with this, it really shows how dedicated AG is to its customers. This is what I did to clear up any confusion:

4" lc glass cutting disc
3.5" backing plate
makita rotary
daimondnite glass works restorer
tried to follow your technique you used in the thread

of course now I know i dint use the right polish, I got the same results 83hurstguy got in post, swirls in glass.

I don't think I did any damage to the inner plastic layer, only swirled the surface.

So you think the resurfacing creme will be able to repair the damage?

I have been meaning to call you but haven't been able to get around to doing so, probably give ya a ring at some point.

Again thank you so much for all your help.


p.s.
I have since used the glass works restorer with a foam pad on other vehicles with great success in removing water marks and restoring clarity, best stuff I used so far, leaves the glass virtually spotless and smooth, so I guess im doing something right, cant wait to try the resurfacing cream.

They are not the same, one can remove gunk off the surface, the other can remove glass by abrading it without leaving behind it's own scratch pattern.






Just to double check, you purchased the Lake Country 4" Glass Cutting Pads?

autogeek_2172_464402425.jpg




And then used these discs with a DA or a Rotary Buffer?






You can reach me here at work at 1-800-869-3011 x206

I'm looking into the results you got in this thread and also this thread.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/diamondite/38072-swirls-glass.html

:)
 
I'm glad I read this thread and the link above. I just got the Restorer and am planning to do my windshield this weekend. I'll stick to the foam pad!
Thanks.
 
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