Hyundai & Kia overstate MPG, issue refunds

This is why I'll never drive one...


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smack said:
Imagine if we had Chinese made cars brought to the U.S. Would Anyone buy one? I certainly would not.
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Turn the clock back 40 years. The same thing was said about Japanese cars.
 
golliger said:
The Elantra is now rated at 37 mpg hwy. Not good considering how hard Hyundai marketed it's 40 mpg claim.
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Actually the models that were rated at 40 highway are now 38, those that were rated at 39 are down to 37.

BigAl3 said:
most all car manufacturers say little or big white lies to sell you a car. who's next...
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umana2482 said:
What is the big deal? We've know this issue for a long time. All manufacturers in my opinion lie about mpg.
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golliger said:
It is not a surprise that a car doesn't match it's EPA rating in real world driving. Conditions and driving habits are completely different. In Hyundai's case, the cars couldn't get their EPA rating in the EPA test. Could be a mistake, could be fraud, or maybe performance varies that much from car to car.
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I don't know that it's "lying". There is a specific test, and as with any requirement, mfrs. do what's required to meet it, to the extent of tweaking the car and i's engine and transmission programming to perform the best it can under the specific test...which may or may not translate to real-world results.

Bunky said:
Turn the clock back 40 years. The same thing was said about Japanese cars.
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Yeah, I don't know how this turned into an import-bashing thread. Especially today when so many "imported" cars are made right here in the US. Not that I think it's better than a US-based company making them, but it's a lot better than them being made in a foreign plant and shipped here.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I don't know that it's "lying". There is a specific test, and as with any requirement, mfrs. do what's required to meet it, to the extent of tweaking the car and i's engine and transmission programming to perform the best it can under the specific test...which may or may not translate to real-world results.



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This has nothing to do with real world mileage. These cars could not meet their EPA ratings when submitted to an EPA test. If they used tweaked cars then they took a chance that the EPA wouldn't conduct an audit.
Just like the chance any of us would take with the IRS if we "tweaked" our tax returns.

This is a big deal. The only other instance I can think of this happening is when BMW had to rerate a single model of the 3 series.
Some versions of the Soul lost 6 mpg, that is huge.
 
My Sonata does quite well. Mileage does as its listed/stated. Say what you want at least they are making ammends for the mistake.
 
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