I bought Opti-Coat but I am concerned

Hey, I work in the computer industry - "is it plugged in?" Not a flame question. Sorry you took it that way.

If the pad is clean, then one of 2 things:
1) you aren't working the polish down enough
2) the pad/polish combination is too aggressive for your paint.
 
I think my Opti-Coat Project is going onto my "Land of Broken Dreams" shelf. Its not the Opti-Coat, its me not being able to get the finish in appropriate condition to lock it down with the Opti. I will just keep using my Wolfgang liquid wax, and accept the compliments about how good my car looks.
 
Hey, I work in the computer industry - "is it plugged in?" Not a flame question. Sorry you took it that way.

If the pad is clean, then one of 2 things:
1) you aren't working the polish down enough
2) the pad/polish combination is too aggressive for your paint.

I didn't take it as a flame - I took it as an effort to help me. Sorry if it didn't seem that way - I was trying to be funny.

I think the finish down needs a professional. I would even do it by hand if I thought it would work - any suggestions on that scenario?
 
Would think hand polishing would be worse.

Where are you located?

If you wanted to give it a go, put your softest pad (on super-soft paint I like to pull new/unused pads) and whatever finishing polish you have. Slow speed and work it until the finish looks oily - and maybe a bit more. Then inspect.
 
I think the finish down needs a professional.
Be careful with this proposition. Check out this thread. This car came to me from a "Professional".

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/40472-repairing-other-guy-s-work.html

I give you a lot more credit than to suggest that you would take your car to a "PRO" like the one in my thread but it doesn't hurt to bring it up as a reminder to those who might fall victim to a would be professional like that one.
 
I'm not reading 3 pages of posts, but I will share what works for me:
After polishing, clean the surface with ONR and a very soft mf.
 
I'm not reading 3 pages of posts, but I will share what works for me:
After polishing, clean the surface with ONR and a very soft mf.


Hi. Thanks Rich. I know what youmean about reading three pages of posts! The plan is prepping for Opti-Coat so we are looking for "perfect" with no polish/oil/filler left behind. We (me) are not able to get it "perfect", so we (me) are giving up and just hiding the minor swirling as per usual. Its not bad - I just don't want to lock it in with Opti-Coat. I was hoping Opti-Coat might hide minor swirling by filling in, but I am not seeing that to be the case all poor technique on my part no doubt.
 
I could see postponing your OC dream but you are way too close to Stuart and AG to give up. Attend Mike's Boot Camp or Thursday sessions and learn. Soft black is tricky but not impossible. Just have to go slow and be patient. May require Menz PO85RD (or whatever the new name is).
 
I could see postponing your OC dream but you are way too close to Stuart and AG to give up. Attend Mike's Boot Camp or Thursday sessions and learn. Soft black is tricky but not impossible. Just have to go slow and be patient. May require Menz PO85RD (or whatever the new name is).

OK -- Postpone sounds better. That makes it easier to walk away. I'd gladly pay for a lesson on my car, but I've got the typical scenarios down pretty well, so full boot camp maybe not so useful. I may go up for a Thursday, but it sounds like those might not be happening for awhile, with Mike Phillips other commitments.

Or you could come over from Round Rock for an afternoon - its only probably about 1,000 miles. I would buy the beer.
 
Sounds like fun. I'm all over Mike Phillips' "Each one teach one" challenge but that would get my freshly OC'ed DD dirty. :)

There are a lot of members in your area. Hitting up one of them might happen sooner.
 
How close are you to Deltona? My son lives there and is a pretty fair detailer! Dont give up!
 
How close are you to Deltona? My son lives there and is a pretty fair detailer! Dont give up!

I can't believe 1000 miles is too far for you. I saw a movie about a dog that found its way home from father away than that.
 
On very soft black, I've had good luck with Menz 106, 85rd on LC black, HT tangerine, and prep for OC with OPC( wipe with sheepskin mit). OC with suede MF.
 
Everyone - please note that I do not believe that I am instilling these swirls with the MF (although I know that is possible) because I am drawing the MF across the finished area in a straight line - not rubbing in circles - I am doing this deliberately to see if the MF is instilling or I am not finishing down. BTW Using a variable rotary with below 1000 rpm.


What you first have to determine is if it is your polishing technique or wipe off technique that is instilling the swirls.

I’d suggest the following steps.

First do not use IPA at any dilution. I’m with Dave on this, IPA is just not necessary to do wipe downs and will usually only make matters worse with the sort of problems you are experiencing. No point repeating what Dave has said, but I agree with him on his thoughts about how IPA has come on the scene. Also I’d don’t really know why people insist of doing dry MF wipe offs to remove polish residue. The simplest method that won’t induce marring is to use a wet MF and gently wipe away the polish residue. Rinse out the MF and then wring it dry and wipe off again to remove the majority of the water and finally dry the panel with a separate MF. That completely avoids any harsh rubbing to remove stubborn polish residues and will eliminate any risk of marring the paint. For a final inspection just vary the technique and add detergent (such as Dawn) to ensure that all oils from the polish have been removed.

Second have you established that you are not introducing new swirls and scratches after polishing each section? Do the scratches and swirls appear in the same position on the panel. If they are in the same position, then that indicates that your polish/combo is not aggressive enough to remove the swirls. If the swirls/scratches appear in different positions then it is your polishing technique that is introducing new swirls. You mention low rpms and I assume from your description that you are using Menz P085RD. Low rpms by themselves is not the correct technique with a rotary for a diminishing polish such as 85rd. You need to use the zenith technique to work the polish and cause the abrasives to progressively break down. However first question is does your rotary have a sophisticated electronic speed control that guarantees each speed at whatever the load. You’ll need to work 85rd from 600 to 900 to 1200 and then work back down to 900 and finally back to 600. If your rotary doesn’t have that type of control then you will certainly have difficulty achieving the finish you want.

To learn more about the zenith technique I’d suggest DaveKG’s article over at detailing world see Machine Polishing by Rotary Polisher - Full Guide - Detailing World He also has some very goods videos that show the correct rotary technique for finishing down with 85rd.

Lastly if you are having no luck with the rotary why not try with a DA? If you can finish swirl free on a DA, that points to your rotary or your rotary technique. Undoubtedly a rotary (using the correct technique) and 85rd will produce a superior finish than a DA with 85rd, but at this stage you aren’t interested in jewelling the paint, if you still have swirls to contend with.

I certainly wouldn’t give up at this point because it is possible to achieve what you want on any type of paint.
 
:iagree:

I have been making the assumption you have been removing the swirls prior to attempting to finish. Menz PO85RD will not remove swirls on almost any but the truly softest paint.
 
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