I think I've got a plan... Adjustments? Technique?

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Ok, here's what I'm going to be working on:
2004 Mazda3 - My practice/warm-up car. Highway commuter. Showing some slight oxidation and generally rough paint conditions.
2006 Caddy CTS-V - My baby that got all swirled up by a local detailer that didn't know what he was doing (which led me here).

Once AG puts on a sale that I can't pass up, I'll be doing my first correction jobs on these vehicles. The plan is to be using GG's DA with LC hydro tech pads (6.5" and 3.5"), m105, m205, optimum poliseal, and collinite 845.

Any suggestions about which pads to use when and with which products? Should I add a couple Surbuf pads incase the cyan HT pads and the m105 don't cut it? Other suggestions, tips, or tricks with these particular products? (yes, I've read the awesome post on 845)

Thanks for any input.
 
The HT pads work very well on most paint. I'd get several cyan, tangerine and crimson pads if you aren't going to consider Megs MF discs.

I think you will find that as far as compounding goes, unless you are a seasoned veteran at using M105, I'd recommend going with MF cutting disc/D300 combo than with 105 and foam. The D300 combo with the MF cutting pad works amazingly well, and finishes so well that you can probably skip the M205 step altogether...and go right to Poli-Seal step. Collinite is a given.

I'd keep it simple...and the Megs MF correction system makes it about as simple as it gets. We are talking about commuter cars in this case, right..?...so unless your goal is serious show car-type correction, I think the M105 thing is something I'd pass on. Also, some waxes don't play well with some sealants, so I'd make sure that Poli Seal will play with Collinte.
 
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The main reason that I'm shying away from the megs MF kit is because I've heard numerous reports that it doesn't remove harsh swirling as well as 105 with foam. A fellow member suggested the MF kit as well as 105 and 205, but I am trying to keep this as simple (and effective) as possible, and that just seems too cluttered.
 
Wes8398 said:
The main reason that I'm shying away from the megs MF kit is because I've heard numerous reports that it doesn't remove harsh swirling as well as 105 with foam. A fellow member suggested the MF kit as well as 105 and 205, but I am trying to keep this as simple (and effective) as possible, and that just seems too cluttered.
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Keep in mind the 105/205 combo is harder to use and lots of correction works does not require them. Not saying that many here don't use them for light work, saying they have a learning curve and for a beginner they might be a little discouraging.

So Far I'm not a huge fan of the MF system (this is where I get flamed) but being as the pads are so sensitive to the machine speeds you must run them on the slow side or you will tear them up (i have experience doing this:(). I've had better luck with the WG twins (no they are not the answer for everything) but they are very easy to use and give awesome results. That said the MF system is Supper easy to use, makes it a 2 step process that you don't need to do anything more and will give you amazing results. For a beginner IMO it is very easy and you will be impressed with the results.

If you are sticking with HT pads (great choice) I'd get at least 3 Cyan, 3 Tangerine, and 2 Crimson. 1 thing I would do for sure is invest in a 5" backing plate and get the 5.5" pads rather than the 6.5". Easier to use, & better correction. I think you meant to say 4" pads not 3.5" .... the backing plate for the 4" pads is a 3.5". those small pads are very handy for tight area's and IMO a must have.

I think you will be OK with 845 over poli seal but be sure to wait for the poli seal to cure 12 hours before topping with 845.
 
flamed03vert said:
Isn't 845IW considered a hybrid sealant anyways?
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Even if you two coat a sealant you should wait 12 hours between coats otherwise the first coat is not curred and the top coat will just break down the first coat. Some call 845 a wax, others call it a sealant, yet others call it a hybrid ...... No matter what you call it it works very well!
 
Buckskincolt said:
Even if you two coat a sealant you should wait 12 hours between coats otherwise the first coat is not curred and the top coat will just break down the first coat. Some call 845 a wax, others call it a sealant, yet others call it a hybrid ...... No matter what you call it it works very well!
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I concur:dblthumb2:
 
Thanks for the info so far guys. Much appreciated.

Can some others weigh in on 105/205 versus the MF system in terms of swirl removal?
 
Ok guys. Having a real hard time deciding between the Megs MF and my original plan which was LC HT pads, m105, m205, etc. Here are a few pics of what I'm dealing with. It's pretty rough, unfortunately. I talked to a guy at a local body shop who knows his stuff. He said he could get it swirl free and looking great for $300, but that would only be with a circular polisher. He didn't think a DA with foam pads with any compound would be able to cut this damage. What do you guys think?
 
Did you look at the pictures in
My link I posted earlier in this thread? Your paint doesn't look any worse than those and look at the results! For $300 you can buy a DA and some fine products to keep care of you vehicles. IMO You can easily correct this with a DA. You have my thoughts in earlier posts and your pictures have not changed my thoughts.
 
Wes8398 said:
Ok guys. Having a real hard time deciding between the Megs MF and my original plan which was LC HT pads, m105, m205, etc. Here are a few pics of what I'm dealing with. It's pretty rough, unfortunately. I talked to a guy at a local body shop who knows his stuff. He said he could get it swirl free and looking great for $300, but that would only be with a circular polisher. He didn't think a DA with foam pads with any compound would be able to cut this damage. What do you guys think?
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Looks like the guy at the body shop dosent use a da at All. Because if he did he would know that your problem is correctable via da with the right products.If you want to do this yourself then dive in and get-r-done!
 
Buckskincolt - I didn't/don't see pictures of yours, sorry. I definitely value your opinion, so thank you.

Now, are the right products for me the Megs DA system, or my original plan.... That's the question that remains. I'll keep waiting for a sale that sways me one way or the other. :)
 
I owe you an apology! it was in another thread I posted this link http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/20999-review-new-hydro-tech-6-5-pads.html

I thought I had posted this in here too so you could see the correction ability of the WG twin polishes and the HT pads ..... Very sorry for not getting this to you and asking if you had seen something that I never posted. :doh:

Hope this link helps you out a bit.

And again back to you original question, IF you go HT pads go the 5.5" not the 6.5" for a DA the same goes for the MF system. I think for ease of use the mf system is the answer but I seem to always find myself back to the HT pads and reaching for the Wolfgang polishes ...... but that's just me .... Once again no matter what you choose go with the 5.5" system.

Yale
 
I'd go 5.5 inch MF system. Those cutting pads and D300 are very impressive, especially on hard clear (don't forget a bug sponge to clean the MF pads).

hydrotechs will still work with the meg's bp that comes with the system so also get some 5.5 inch tangerines and crimsons for finishing and one steppers.

I like poliseal and agree that after cutting and D300, you can go straight to poliseal and tangerine, then top with 845 the next day.
 
Yale, thanks for the link. It appears that the pictures are no longer there though. I'm on my iPhone so maybe that's why, but I only see the text. Speaking of which, you said in that review that the 6.5" pads worked well with your GG DA. That's the DA that I plan to get, so can I save the dough on the 5" backing plate and just use the 6" bp that the GG DA comes with and 6.5" pads? Or have you changed your opinion on this topic?
 
Want to place order ... Can't decide ... Ugh

Yale, from my PC (rather than my iPhone) I was able to see the pictures in that thread. WOW!! Those results were fantastic!

I'm all screwed up now though. I want to get my start-up order in while this 20% off sale is going, but now I can't decide what I want to get!! lol Everyone's advise is fantastic, but it's also confusing for a noob like me because everyone has their own preferences and (sometimes limited) experiences. After seeing Yale's results from the WG twins, I'm now between these choices... if anyone's still watching, what do ya think? I'll add a few questions about each as well...

1) M105/M205/Poli-seal/Collinite 845 with HT pads
- 2 or 3 each of the 6", and 1 each of the 4" pads - ok?

2) Megs Microfiber DA system, PoliSeal, 845
- Considering I'm getting the GG DA, can I go with 6" or 5" pads?
- Do I only need Cyan HT pads for the sealant and wax?
- Or, can the PoliSeal and 845 be put on with the MF DA polishing pads?
- Would I even need the PoliSeal step? Or skip it?

3) Wolfgang Combo, PoliSeal, 845, HT pads
- Only considering this after looking at the pictures in the link that Yale posted...


Thanks to anyone who posts up. I realize I'm probably getting annoying, but it's hard making your 1st order!! I'm being mindful of not posting new topics on this same subject, so hopefully this thread will still get some attention.
 
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Wes8398 said:
I'm all screwed up now though. I want to get my start-up order in while this 20% off sale is going, but now I can't decide what I want to get!!

1) M105/M205/Poli-seal/Collinite 845 with HT pads
- 2 or 3 each of the 6", and 1 each of the 4" pads - ok?

2) Megs Microfiber DA system, PoliSeal, 845
- Considering I'm getting the GG DA, can I go with 6" or 5" pads?
- Do I only need Cyan HT pads for the sealant and wax?
- Or, can the PoliSeal and 845 be put on with the MF DA polishing pads?
- Would I even need the PoliSeal step? Or skip it?

3) Wolfgang Combo, PoliSeal, 845, HT pads
- Only considering this after looking at the pictures in the link that Yale posted...
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I would probably do a combination of embolism's advice, pick up some 5.5" MF pads and D300 Compound, and Yale's advice, pick up some 5.5" Tangerines (for M205 or WG FG) and 5.5" Crimsons (for Poli-Seal). That right there is a winning combination! :props:
 
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kronos said:
I would probably do a combination of embolism's advice, pick up some 5.5" MF pads and D300 Compound, and Yale's advice, pick up some 5.5" Tangerines (for M205 or WG FG) and 5.5" Crimsons (for Poli-Seal). That right there is a winning combination! :props:
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Is the finishing compound with the MF DA system no good? I'm now recalling that you're not the first to suggest the D300 and cutting pads followed by a different polish/seal/wax. Is it really that advantageous to use the MF DA cutting system, as opposed to M105 (or equivalent), etc with HT pads?
 
So!
When I did that review the ht pads were brand new and only available in 6.5" now not only are they avaiable in 5.5" but they are also available in 5.5" low profile which are even better.

To be honest I'd go with the Meg microfiber 5" starter kit add at least two more each of the cutting and finishing pads and start there. Be careful with the griots machine not to over power these pads.If you want to go with foam pads I'd pick the WG polishes and the 5.5" low profile ht pads. Yes I do like working with the 5.5"
pads better, they just are better for smaller areas and they give better correction. I'd spring for the new backing plate, it's worth it ..... If you buy the Meg MF starter kit it comes with one.

Why are you so set on the poli-seal step? With the MF system and the final wax it's basically an all in one so why follow it with another all in one? And if you go with the WG twins you will IMHO have a better finish ready for a sealant or 845 than if you follow them with Poli Seal

You can top the Meg D301 with 845 or you could apply a sealant then top with 845 after either combo.

A nice reasonable priced sealant is DP Poli-Coat DP Poli-Coat Paint Sealant, polymer paint sealant, auto paint sealant, DP Policoat paint sealant, paint sealer I'd opt for this step over the Poli Seal but that's just me.
A side note is that if you are going to buy the WG combo do it now because they are on price rollback that ends sometime Thursday and with the sale you
ever get a better price and they are on the spendy side. This is my favorite polishes but they are not as fast cutting as 105/205. But the 105/205 don't have the longest work time and have a more difficult learning curve.

I really don't think you would be sorry if you just went with the MF system + some extra pads some DP Poli-Coat and some col 845. Buy a Couple blue 5.5" lc flat pads Lake Country 5 1/2 x 7/8 inch Beveled Edge Foam Pads, buffing pads, Lake Country curved edge pads, polishing pads one to apply the 845 and one to apply the DPPC. You for sure will want to machine apply the 845 because applying thin is very important and it's way easier to apply it thin by machine!

I don't think you will go wrong with either set up! The MF system might be just a touch more noob friendly but not by much. I didn't add it up but I bet the MF system is more budget friendly as well.

Hope this helps! Yale
 
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