I thought "Thin was in".... Maybe not?

I think my biggest issue with using a machine is just that I’m going to have to go in and get delicate areas by hand anyway.

I’ve tried doing the bulk with my polisher and a 6” pad, and then going in and getting pillars and bumpers with a hand applicator after the fact, but it just doesn’t feel much faster to me.

Maybe I’m just going about it wrong, idk.


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Interesting how everyone likes to do it differently and in the end we all get the results we're after. I can't see myself applying wax/sealant by hand again, so much faster with a machine. I see the point many make about enjoying that process of doing it by hand. I don't enjoy it. I actually don't enjoy doing anything to my car. I enjoy the results and I do the chore to get the result I want but I hate the process. Maybe someday I'll be a millionaire that can pay a person to get my cars looking perfect all the time while I don't have to do it myself :)
 
I noticed the same thing yesterday watching videos on bead maker.. multiple detailers would cover the entire surface so every spot was visibly wet with spray
I cue'ed up the start times so you can tell me how wrong it looks.. or maybe that's just how spray waxes get put on now?

Washing and Bead Maker Application on My E92 M3 After Full Paint Correction

Getting to know Bead Maker more...Is it right for you?

Initial application of Bead Maker is supposed to be heavier but after that it's not a lot that should be used after each wash. Having said that. the best way to apply Bead Maker is to not apply it. Give it to someone else.
 
Interesting how everyone likes to do it differently and in the end we all get the results we're after. I can't see myself applying wax/sealant by hand again, so much faster with a machine. I see the point many make about enjoying that process of doing it by hand. I don't enjoy it. I actually don't enjoy doing anything to my car. I enjoy the results and I do the chore to get the result I want but I hate the process. Maybe someday I'll be a millionaire that can pay a person to get my cars looking perfect all the time while I don't have to do it myself :)

How do you get intricate spots like under door handles, really thin pillars, and front bumpers? If I could find an efficient way to do all that I probably wouldn’t mind applying with a machine at all.


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Just to chime in,



So this is the first time I get to use my McKees Hi Def Paint Sealant and I was just looking on line for info, tips etc as it was drying and I came across a video from Nick.

YouTube

Well If you watch how much he uses/applies, this is NOT THIN lol.

I used WAY less.. And Im guessing that I didnt use enough... Should I go back and do another coat, or maybe do another coat tomorrow morning?

Thoughts?



This answer below is correct.

I noticed ppl in how to videos use more than I do. I wonder if its so you really see the application??



In the TV world, or YouTube World, (basically anything on video where you're teaching), you must over act or be more dramatic. This includes you personlity but also everything you do.

In the case of applying a wax or sealant, if you don't over use the product the camera will not pick up anything being "done" on the car. So yeah, over use a little. I do this on camera all the time.


:)
 
And just to add this,

There's a HUGE difference when applying a finishing wax or sealant and a cleaner/wax or or cleaner/sealant, or AIO.

With a non-cleaning, or FINISHING wax or sealant, (and that is the term, finishing), these types of product are ONLY supposed to be applied to paint that is in PERFECT condition. And as such, ALL YOU NEED IS A THIN COAT.



When it comes to applying a one-step cleaner/wax, or one-step cleaner/sealant, or one-step cleaner/primer or AIO by any other term, then you use the product,

Heavy or Wet

The term heavy or wet means - use a LOT of product.


Why?

Because if you're using an AIO of any type, this means you're in all likelihood, working on NEGLECTED paint. That is paint in bad condition. Paint that has swirls, scratches, water spots and oxidation. And for this type of paint you want lots of liquid on the surface- the liquid containing,

  1. Abrasives
  2. Chemical cleaners
  3. Solvents, (water is a solvent so don't over think the word solvent to be a bad thing)
  4. Polishing oils or polishing agents
  5. And of course, the protection ingredients. (remember, its' an all-in-one)


That's why to me, anytime I see someone talking about use PEA SIZED DROPS when doing any time of correction work, be it using a compound, polish or AIO - it kind of tells me they don't really know what they are doing. They probably learned that from someone else that didn't know what they were doing.

I worked with a guy one time at a public demonstration, (he has a fairly well-known name in our industry), and he demonstrated using an AIO and since he was my guest, I let him do what he wanted.

I watched him explain to the crowd to use pea sized drops. The hood I had for him to demo on was an oxidized single stage red paint.

The dry paint sucked up all the liquid in the pea sized drops and after about 2 passes with the buffer he was dry buffing.



I helped him to recover in front of the life audience by putting some QUARTER sized drops on his buffing pad and the demo THEN went flawlessly. After the show, I explained all of the above to him.


Each one, teach one....

I wrote the above in 2004 - still practicing the philosophy as all of us should be practicing and I expect all AutoGEEKS do in fact practice, both online and offline. :xyxthumbs:



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And true to form, here's my recent review of a cleaner/wax, technically a Si02 infused cleaner/sealant, and I included a picture of the amount of product I poured onto the face of the pad,


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Here's the full review,

Review: Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Polish & Wax


And the paint on this car was in BAD condition. I THIN coat of wax wouldn't do squat for the paint and NEITHER would pea sized drops.


How many pea sized drops do you think you could get out of this circle of product?

I'll guess I could get at LEAST 50 Pea SIZED drops. :laughing:

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If you're using any brand of one-step product on neglected paint, then you use the product heavy or wet.

If you're applying a non-cleaning product to paint in perfect condition - then you lay down a THIN layer.





And that's how you do it. :buffing:


:)
 
I thought "Thin was in"....

Maybe not?


And just to point out, the term,

Thin is in

Applies primarily to the industry-changing event when Lake Country Manufacturing introduced the first series of THIN foam buffing pads in the year 2010. BEFORE this date, all foam buffing pads were over 1" THICK and normally 1 1/4" thick. That's a LOT of foam to expect a free spinning, random orbital polisher to rotate under pressure especially when most pads were also 6.5" in diameter. It wasn't until sometime in the year 2000 pad companies started offering 5 1/2" pads for tools like the Porter Cable.

And here's my article dated 2010


Thin is in...

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But yeah, the term thin is in does apply to using non-cleaning waxes and sealants on paint in perfect condition.


Like the old cigarette add slogan goes,

You've come a long ways baby!



As in, our industry has come a long way....

:)
 
How do you get intricate spots like under door handles, really thin pillars, and front bumpers? If I could find an efficient way to do all that I probably wouldn’t mind applying with a machine at all.


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Some spots do require manual application with something small but others, even if you only get the pad partially covering the area, it will spin and spread the product because it requires no pressure so unlike polishing something at weird angle which leads to pad stall, when just spreading the product it still spins when partially making contact. But I also haven't used wax/sealant in a couple of years, once you go with a coating it's hard to go back. Coating is much more work to apply but then it's a decent amount of time with much less work to maintain the car clean.
 
That's why to me, anytime I see someone talking about use PEA SIZED DROPS when doing any time of correction work, be it using a compound, polish or AIO - it kind of tells me they don't really know what they are doing. They probably learned that from someone else that didn't know what they were doing.



:)

Great minds think alike.

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Ha ha...

No pea sized drops for you!


:laughing:

And you know what? I learned this technique at the very same place where you used to teach...

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From someone [Mike Stoops] who was also taught by someone who knew what the heck they were doing! [you]
 
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