In your opinion...
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There's a rumor you have some quality tools.
Garry Dean
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Done deal, thanks.
BobbyG
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Ahhh shoot Garry, I thought your original post said including, not excluding the Flex 3401...:doh:
I have the first generation Porter Cable 7424 and have been pleased with it for over 12 years.
The Porter Cable 7424xp is an refinement of the first and comes with a more powerful motor and ergonomically designed body.
Garry, let us know which one you decide on, I value your opinion...
FUNX650
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-I'm sure you know that a DA is a "machine"...Just a tool.
-As in any operation, at any level, a "machine's capabilities" are:
More often than not, dependent upon the machine "operator" and their:
a.) Mechanical abilities
b.) Training/experience/skill level with machines
c.) Knowledge with, for example:
-Machine attachments
-Machine maintenance
-Machine repair when necessary
Most experienced machine operators, in any field or profession, are able to take a variety of machines and find a way to have them perform...produce a product that meets a predetermined standard....whether from older (even antiquated) or the latest, high-tech machines/machinery.
I get the impression that you are satisfied with the machines you presently have for your detailing operations....Your looking for 'back-ups' in case your present equipment incurs machinery breakdowns.
If this impression is correct, I'd like to suggest, then:
-A duplicate purchase of one, or more, of your present machines.
-A purchase of one, or both, the: Shurhold and/or G110v2 (This is a reference to your: machine operator experience/skills/abilities)
Bob
-As in any operation, at any level, a "machine's capabilities" are:
More often than not, dependent upon the machine "operator" and their:
a.) Mechanical abilities
b.) Training/experience/skill level with machines
c.) Knowledge with, for example:
-Machine attachments
-Machine maintenance
-Machine repair when necessary
Most experienced machine operators, in any field or profession, are able to take a variety of machines and find a way to have them perform...produce a product that meets a predetermined standard....whether from older (even antiquated) or the latest, high-tech machines/machinery.
I get the impression that you are satisfied with the machines you presently have for your detailing operations....Your looking for 'back-ups' in case your present equipment incurs machinery breakdowns.
If this impression is correct, I'd like to suggest, then:
-A duplicate purchase of one, or more, of your present machines.
-A purchase of one, or both, the: Shurhold and/or G110v2 (This is a reference to your: machine operator experience/skills/abilities)
Bob
:iagree: With propper technique the PC and PCXP are more than powerful enough to get the job done, and while they don't have an amazing warranty, they have an amazing track record of quality. I still have the first PC I bought and it works just like brand new.
I have the GG, PC and the Megs V2 DA .
The one I REALLY dislike using is the PCXP. It vibrates so much and causes my hands to hurt really bad. If you use it with the stick handle its even worse. No way I use this machine for correction work, as its too hard on the hands.
The Griots is extremely smooth and doesnt translate the vibrations it causes into your hands. I could correct all day with this and go to work the next monday and still have hand dexterity. Many times I have used the PCXP over the weekend and then show up to work on a cold Monday morning with my hands sore and stiff. basically rendering them useless.
I have not used the Megs for correction yet, but I have used paint cleaners and wax's with it and I can assure you that it also is a machine that does not transfer vibrations onto your hands and arm. Its also extremely smooth and feels very high quality. The torque is really consistent and holds even power when pressure is applied (you can hear the motor kick up when you press down). I would imagine it would work very well for correction. I also have not seen many cases where the polisher gives up on people.
On 2 occasions my Griots polisher gave up on my. Its weird as it never happens during a detail. I usually will use it for the weekend, than plug it in a couple weeks later only to realize that it doesnt turn on. And its not the brush's or power source. Both polisher did this same thing. Griots and AG are awesome as I had a polisher to my doorstep (with the free HD long cord optoin on both included for free) during the same week. First they pick up the old polisher , and the next day the new one comes. Very happy with this warranty program. Zero questions asked. I could have ran the polisher over with my truck and they still would have replaced it IME. Because of this , I purchased a second GG polisher, so I now have 2. One with a 3" backing plate, and one with a 5". Both work very well with MF pads. And even with foam cutting pads its nearly impossible to stop rotation. BUT, like Mark stated earlier, I have noticed between the 4 GG polishers that I have owned that they all produced different power. Some 4 sure felt stronger than others. and Some I was able to stop rotation on, and some I could not. either way, you get a great polisher for the price, and IME even the weak polisher is still WAY stronger than the PCXP.
But back to your question gary, I would get the Megs V2 over the Shurhold polisher just for the advertised specs alone. Also, i'm about 99% sure that he shurhold is the same manufacturer of the Griots polisher.
The one I REALLY dislike using is the PCXP. It vibrates so much and causes my hands to hurt really bad. If you use it with the stick handle its even worse. No way I use this machine for correction work, as its too hard on the hands.
The Griots is extremely smooth and doesnt translate the vibrations it causes into your hands. I could correct all day with this and go to work the next monday and still have hand dexterity. Many times I have used the PCXP over the weekend and then show up to work on a cold Monday morning with my hands sore and stiff. basically rendering them useless.
I have not used the Megs for correction yet, but I have used paint cleaners and wax's with it and I can assure you that it also is a machine that does not transfer vibrations onto your hands and arm. Its also extremely smooth and feels very high quality. The torque is really consistent and holds even power when pressure is applied (you can hear the motor kick up when you press down). I would imagine it would work very well for correction. I also have not seen many cases where the polisher gives up on people.
On 2 occasions my Griots polisher gave up on my. Its weird as it never happens during a detail. I usually will use it for the weekend, than plug it in a couple weeks later only to realize that it doesnt turn on. And its not the brush's or power source. Both polisher did this same thing. Griots and AG are awesome as I had a polisher to my doorstep (with the free HD long cord optoin on both included for free) during the same week. First they pick up the old polisher , and the next day the new one comes. Very happy with this warranty program. Zero questions asked. I could have ran the polisher over with my truck and they still would have replaced it IME. Because of this , I purchased a second GG polisher, so I now have 2. One with a 3" backing plate, and one with a 5". Both work very well with MF pads. And even with foam cutting pads its nearly impossible to stop rotation. BUT, like Mark stated earlier, I have noticed between the 4 GG polishers that I have owned that they all produced different power. Some 4 sure felt stronger than others. and Some I was able to stop rotation on, and some I could not. either way, you get a great polisher for the price, and IME even the weak polisher is still WAY stronger than the PCXP.
But back to your question gary, I would get the Megs V2 over the Shurhold polisher just for the advertised specs alone. Also, i'm about 99% sure that he shurhold is the same manufacturer of the Griots polisher.
While I agree that you could correct and get the job done with the PCXP, the reality is that after owning the XP and the Griots using the XP turns into a joke. The Griots is FAR more efficient are correcting tough clear coats. What takes 2 strong pass's with the XP, could take an easy pass with the Griots. And I'm not even joking. And forget about when working on curved side body panels !!! The XP stops rotating too easily. The griots is the DA that most closely match's the FLEX's forced rotating power on concave panels.
Since I got the Griots and used it once for a full correction, the FLEX has yet to ever be plugged back in.
Actually it isn't a joke. The pc when used correctly and by someone that knows exactly what they are doing there is no real difference. I have owned the Griots and since it is a POS I just threw it away. I will take quality over any tool any day over something that might have slightly more power. Whne buying tools you look at quality before anything. This is coming from someone that problems owns more tools and equipment than most on here.
Curved body panels are where correct technique comes into play. I'd rather use a tool with propper technique, than a tool that just can power through anything..just my personal opinion. I have a GG as well and don't even use it, I can correct just as well with the PCXP as I can with the GG. Not to mention if I'm doing a full correction I usually reach for a rotary for compounding anyway.
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http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...lishers/35690-7424-shocking-me-literally.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ion-polishers/39043-pc-7424-handle-issue.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...on-polishers/41896-oil-came-out-polisher.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...on-polishers/42325-7424xp-shaft-came-out.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ction-polishers/42191-issue-my-pc-7424xp.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...action-polishers/42206-what-s-issue-here.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...action-polishers/43397-problem-my-7424xp.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...on-polishers/13806-what-am-i-doing-wrong.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-pc7424-losing-power-heating-up-smelling.html
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And your point being Flash, I am willing to bet most of the fault is because the tool was being used beyond it's intended use, that would pretty much cover most tool failures, unless it is a pos like the Griots. I have 8 Porter Cables that are over 15-20 years old and never had any problems out of any of them.
Flash Gordon
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My point is Porter Cables are Junk
That is because you are clueless about tools. I know if you looked up all the problems with the Griots you would find a lot more failures. Anyway, if you prefer your pos Griots over the Porter Cable, and you are happy with it, then I am as happy as well for you my Sausage Fingers buddy.
LegacyGT
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Flash is just stirring the pot, simply ignore him.
Thanks, I am fully aware of the way he is.
Flash Gordon
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Whatever you say Dana
I'm not stirring up anything Bill. Garry asked for everyones opinion and I am stating mine just the same as Dana stated his. The only difference is I provided facts
Flash Gordon
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Well, I am sorry to burst your bubble Flash, I am not Dana, have meet him several times though, great guy by the way. I am on other detailing forums for years so I know who you are and how you like to play games at times, which is fine, everyone has their own way of doing things.
See there really is no need to start digging up old posts, which by the way you can do as well since you have the time as shown above with the porter cable. The fact is the Porter Cable is a much more quality tool, and that is that, a fact.
See there really is no need to start digging up old posts, which by the way you can do as well since you have the time as shown above with the porter cable. The fact is the Porter Cable is a much more quality tool, and that is that, a fact.