Bosko
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time to think about a ceramic coating then....
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time to think about a ceramic coating then....
BlackCarBlues
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I've been under the impression that even true ceramic coatings in the little glass bottles don't help the clear coat resist scratching... that's why I've avoided them so far. Hydrophobicity and chemical resistance is cool and all, but as far as I'm aware coatings don't provide any mechanical resistance -- once the car gets a bit dirty the extra slickness they provide is moot.
I probably sound like an angry old man, but those are the reasons I haven't bothered with a DIY (let alone professional) ceramic coating yet. Hence my username lol
Bosko
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I deal with this twice a week for 8 months out of the year....I know what you mean..
You must have un godly soft paint
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When possible I do a 2BM with a TRC cyclone ultra wash pad and Meg's Gold Class shampoo. Then use Griot's Spray-On Wax or Speed Shine as a drying aid with a CarPro DHydrate.
But also, as I mentioned a few posts ago I have been experimenting with some winter rinseless/waterless wash methods -- some of which have induced some swirling/marring while trying to figure out the limits of those methods. I've settled on coin op spray off, then using the Garry Dean method for winter washes, and time will tell how that ends up working out as far as introducing swirls (in theory it won't).
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Yeah I do. 2012 BMW clear, and as far as I can tell it's butter soft. Rubbing a Eagle Edgeless 350 on clean paint with moderate pressure I have noticed marring (albeit it takes intense light to see it, but it's there) which requires a light polish to remove.
Bill D
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When the weather gets warmer and you can use a hose, I would invest in a foam gun and multiple mitts and begin learning the extreme wash method. I’d also change shampoos. GC never cut it for me. I’ve been using 3D Pink soap for some time now
Regarding the extreme wash method, I would experiment with it several times. It’s not as straightforward as just using two buckets. Try it a dozen times and you ought to reduce/ eliminate the swirls
Regarding the extreme wash method, I would experiment with it several times. It’s not as straightforward as just using two buckets. Try it a dozen times and you ought to reduce/ eliminate the swirls
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Nothing on the market protects against scratches but coatings are great without a doubt! Come on in, the waters fine
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I’ve been considering the switch to Griot’s Brilliant Finish Car Wash and using their foam gun (don’t have the funds for a pressure washer/foam cannon set up).
What does the extreme wash method entail completely?
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Bill D
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You can view how I wash starting at the 7:25 mark:
Audi R8 BLACKBIRD: Basic Car Wash Techniques - /DRIVE CLEAN - YouTube
Audi R8 BLACKBIRD: Basic Car Wash Techniques - /DRIVE CLEAN - YouTube
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Regarding the Griot’s foam gun: if you mean the basic one I think that retails for around $40, I picked up a clone of it for $20 from Harbor Freight to use as a back up
It works well but you’re going to have to constantly refill it if you’re going to use it in the extreme wash method. It uses up much more soap than the metered Autogeek (Gilmour) foam gun for around $70. That’s why I still use it as my principle foam gun.
It works well but you’re going to have to constantly refill it if you’re going to use it in the extreme wash method. It uses up much more soap than the metered Autogeek (Gilmour) foam gun for around $70. That’s why I still use it as my principle foam gun.
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That method is interesting mostly because he is spraying the foam gun and directly following it with the wash mitt in one swoop. TBH I feel like you'd be just fine or even better off with a sopping wet soapy mitt and then dunking that mitt into your rinse bucket -- never saw Larry spray off the mitt or remove the dirt that it attracted (maybe that's the part where you introduce your extra wash mitts?). I can see how that method would lead to A LOT of soap use though through an unmetered foam gun as you mention.
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Nothing on the market protects against scratches but coatings are great without a doubt! Come on in, the waters fine
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What would be a good first DIY ceramic coating? There are so many and TBH it's not something I've spent much time researching due to my sentiments expressed earlier. I think one of my favorite aspects of a ceramic coating would be the fact that I could dry the car completely with my EGO 530 blower after a standard 2BM wash, and also I could use a more robust car shampoo (like CarPro Reset) without worrying about depleting my LSP.
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Yeah, I’m surprised he didn’t use multiple mitts. I use about 5 per car. The thing that has me sold on this wash method that I’ve been doing for so long is that the foam gun allows for a constant stream of soapy water over the paint helping to flush dirt from it. The paint must be well LSPed for this to work. With that constant flow of soap I’ve gotten zero swirls on the four vehicles I maintain
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Whether standard or rinseless, I will no longer use a single wash medium, I now use multiple clean wash mitts/towels so that a dirty mitt/towel never goes back on the paint. So my 2 bucket method is clean wash towels in one bucket, used towels in the second bucket. I no longer worry about my towels inducing marring in the paint.
But if doing a rinseless/waterless, you may want to look at Ammo Frothe. And his method of rolling the towel with Frothe to remove encapsulated dirt.
But if doing a rinseless/waterless, you may want to look at Ammo Frothe. And his method of rolling the towel with Frothe to remove encapsulated dirt.
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This is for [mention]Bosko [/mention] I used some CSS in the kitchen today for some added shine
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This is one method I haven't subscribed to and I'm not sure if I will, let me explain. First off my car is coated way down under there and topped on a regular basis, so clean up is easy! Next I ALWAYS pre-wash and now that I've used Bilt-Hamber Touchless and see its power, a single wash mitt will absolutely be fine. I'm still using 2BM with the advanced grit guards in both buckets. In closing I'll say I see nothing wrong with multiple wash mitts as it's basically the same as the GD method when doing a RW...GO FOR IT
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This is one method I haven't subscribed to and I'm not sure if I will, let me explain. First off my car is coated way down under there and topped on a regular basis, so clean up is easy! Next I ALWAYS pre-wash and now that I've used Bilt-Hamber Touchless and see its power, a single wash mitt will absolutely be fine. I'm still using 2BM with the advanced grit guards in both buckets. In closing I'll say I see nothing wrong with multiple wash mitts as it's basically the same as the GD method when doing a RW...GO FOR IT
I upgraded to Detail Guardz Dirt Lock and Scrub Wall for my rinse bucket but when the rinse water turns brown, not all of the dirt is falling out of suspension and into the bottom. From that point forward, I pledged to never even take the chance of putting a (potentially slightly) dirt mitt back on the paint.
Your method likely works for you but I don’t get to wash my car as often so it is I’m sure dirtier than yours most of the time. And I don’t want to pull out the hose all of the time though I also have Bilt Hamber.
So for me, I know I don’t even have to worry about it any more with multiple wash mitts and/or towels.