Inside Griot's Garage

[chilly]

I agree, and feel the same way about the word ceramic.

Every tom, dick and harry seem to put that word on a bottle. Obviously to entice folks to buy it. And im sure folks that are not like us..dont know the difference, and think its good stuff.

In the end there are quality products out there that are far superior to those that just use the buzz word and put just enough of said product in it to be able to market the bottle under that catagory.

I personaly find it so annoying and it completly turns me away. Granted im only one customer.

Another thing is...most quality names are only availible from online, which turns most average everyday customers away...because they cant go to wally world or autoparts store and buy a product that we may reccomend to them.

I also would love to be able to go to a brick and mortar store and purchase all the quality products that i have on my shelf.

To get back to the topic, ive never even tried a graphine product lol

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^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

I am always way behind the curve with new tech because I am inherently skeptical of new claims

Heck, I tried a "ceramic" product for the first time just 8 months ago and just ordered GG 3 in 1 this week for the first time

Like Opie I see Ceramic and I am still skeptical despite the fact we have moved beyond that to graphene

Ceramic leather treatment?

Ceramic glass cleaner?

Really?

Might be the best thing since sliced bread but just the concept of that rings as phony in my ears

If I am totally off base here then I am not alone

YMMV and apologies in advanced for stepped on toes

 

[Klasse Act]

I'm one who does try new things in the auto detailing world and I for one am glad I'm not exclusively using "hand rubbed caranuba" anymore, even modern tech has been infused into nuba

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[opie2]

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

I am always way behind the curve with new tech because I am inherently skeptical of new claims

Heck, I tried a "ceramic" product for the first time just 8 months ago and just ordered GG 3 in 1 this week for the first time

Like Opie I see Ceramic and I am still skeptical despite the fact we have moved beyond that to graphene

Ceramic leather treatment?

Ceramic glass cleaner?

Really?

Might be the best thing since sliced bread but just the concept of that rings as phony in my ears

If I am totally off base here then I am not alone

YMMV and apologies in advanced for stepped on toes

So true! Idk if i believe the ceramic leather coatings and all that. But hey ive known to be wrong b4

BUT i must say i am a firm believer in ceramic paint coatings. Not the right answer for every scenario but, everything about them makes weekly washes easier. Only downfall is susepitable to water spotting. Although atleast ive never had them etch the clear...so thats good.

And i thank ppl like klasse and so many others out there who try most of the new products that come out so i dont have to haha.

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[chilly]

So true! Idk if i believe the ceramic leather coatings and all that. But hey ive known to be wrong b4

BUT i must say i am a firm believer in ceramic paint coatings. Not the right answer for every scenario but, everything about them makes weekly washes easier. Only downfall is susepitable to water spotting. Although atleast ive never had them etch the clear...so thats good.

And i thank ppl like klasse and so many others out there who try most of the new products that come out so i dont have to haha.

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Right again, ceramic coatings are a real thing and have changed the way a lot of people detail and maintain cars

It is developed and mature technology by now and it works, with a few possible side effects as you noted

But like you say, tagging the buzz words onto the end of existing products not remotely related to a paint protection system can get ludicrous

And yeah, sending Klasse in to find the landmines works for me too (sorry Roger)

:bolt:

 

[chilly]

I'm one who does try new things in the auto detailing world and I for one am glad I'm not exclusively using "hand rubbed caranuba" anymore, even modern tech has been infused into nuba

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I am certainly not anti technology or opposed to change and improvement

I loved rubbing P21s carnauba onto the paint on my 2002 TT after hand rubbing it with Klasse and occasionally P21s Paintwork Cleanser

At the time that was high tech and cutting edge, and in many cases it is still a valid plan if that's what a person wants

Applying a spray ceramic sealant in a 5th of the time it took to wax a car is awesome as well, and as I have found out, has more bang for your product and labor buck and lasts longer to boot

That's an awesome thing about this hobby, to each his own

I don't call anyone out for their choices or beliefs in products, just stating my beliefs and opinions

I bought into so much hype my first couple years seriously detailing and had a space on my shelves in Alaska for failed promises and products that totally didn't live up to their potential

I tossed a lot of stuff but finally decided to leave that crap sitting there as a lesson about letting products mature and be proven rather than jumping blindly on the "NEW BEST" bandwagon

Maybe some other newbie will see what I am saying and save themselves some $$$ and time and headaches

 

[Klasse Act]

Right again, ceramic coatings are a real thing and have changed the way a lot of people detail and maintain cars

It is developed and mature technology by now and it works, with a few possible side effects as you noted

But like you say, tagging the buzz words onto the end of existing products not remotely related to a paint protection system can get ludicrous

And yeah, sending Klasse in to find the landmines works for me too (sorry Roger)

:bolt:

That's what's great about our forum inparticular, there's always people like me who do just that

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[BlackCarBlues]

Anyone here know what it means when Griot’s says their Complete Polish is “meant” for hand use? What would be different between a polish meant for hand use and one meant for a DA? I actually had pretty good luck with it on my PC 7424xp with a LC orange CCS pad (tried it first with a LC white CCS but it didn’t take out the swirls/towel marring I was after).

Interestingly enough, I did call Griot’s before I bought it. The customer service rep recommended BOSS PC over it and said that BOSS PC has more cut… unfortunately AutoZone doesn’t carry any BOSS creams and it was a random afternoon last week that got up to 50°F and I really wanted to get out in the garage and do something haha


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[Bosko]

this is right off their website about the product

 

[BlackCarBlues]

this is right off their website about the product

That talks about Complete Compound. The way they talk it makes it sound like it has diminishing abrasives. I was talking about Complete Polish. I suppose that also has diminishing abrasives, just finer


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[Bosko]

lets try again....same thing...

 

[Klasse Act]

This supports those who aren't on board with graphene Has buzzwords like PRO & EXTREME and from a non-detailing name brand

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[chilly]

This supports those who aren't on board with graphene Has buzzwords like PRO & EXTREME and from a non-detailing name brand
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Talk about buzzwords indeed

Griot's says "Complete Compound's exclusive cutting-edge abrasives cheat physics"

I realize it is just standard advertising hyperbole but all that kind of stuff as well as your example just immediately turns me off

It is no different than looking for a favorite product on a shelf and at first you don't see it then you realize it is because the product's container has a brand new label that says "Same Awesome Product, Great New Look"

My mind sees that and immediately translates that to "revamping your label and marketing and advertising for this product cost SOMEBODY some money and that somebody is ME"

I know that is how advertising works, buzzwords and fluff, and it must work or they wouldn't do it, but I find so much of it insulting

 

[oneheadlite]

This supports those who aren't on board with graphene Has buzzwords like PRO & EXTREME and from a non-detailing name brand

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Rog, wasn't Hydro-Slickness your rock band's name?

 

[Bosko]

As someone who was in marketing/advertising/commercial photography and graphic design for 36 years...I have seen it all.
Some could say....I was part of the problem....lol

One of the reasons I get frustrated with guys on here saying this or that is better than this or that....goes in one ear and out the other for me.

Cars have been clean/polished and shiny for over 100 years.....just think about that one before you go buy the latest "Buzz"

 

[dgage]

Talk about buzzwords indeed

Griot's says "Complete Compound's exclusive cutting-edge abrasives cheat physics"

I realize it is just standard advertising hyperbole but all that kind of stuff as well as your example just immediately turns me off

It is no different than looking for a favorite product on a shelf and at first you don't see it then you realize it is because the product's container has a brand new label that says "Same Awesome Product, Great New Look"

My mind sees that and immediately translates that to "revamping your label and marketing and advertising for this product cost SOMEBODY some money and that somebody is ME"

I know that is how advertising works, buzzwords and fluff, and it must work or they wouldn't do it, but I find so much of it insulting

I’m constantly analyzing commercials for this sort of crap. One of the biggest marketing annoyances, yet it has been a win for the company, which speaks to dumb consumers, is Ford’s use of EcoBoost. EcoBoost is just Ford’s trademarked name for the turbocharger, which was originally patented in 1905.

At least it isn’t some random consumer product with Blue Technology or similar stupidity.

 

[MisterSnoop]

Rog, wasn't Hydro-Slickness your rock band's name?

Wasn't "Down with the Hydroslickness" the hit single?

Can you feel that?
Ah, ####
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.....

....Get up, come on get down with the hydroslickness

 

[chilly]

I’m constantly analyzing commercials for this sort of crap. One of the biggest marketing annoyances, yet it has been a win for the company, which speaks to dumb consumers, is Ford’s use of EcoBoost. EcoBoost is just Ford’s trademarked name for the turbocharger, which was originally patented in 1905.

At least it isn’t some random consumer product with Blue Technology or similar stupidity.

Are you telling me my Ford EcoBoost vehicle isn't special?

My feelers are crushed and stuffs...

:awman:

(For the sake of truth in advertising and full disclosure I do not drive a Ford)

Bring the hate...

 

[dgage]

Are you telling me my Ford EcoBoost vehicle isn't special?

My feelers are crushed and stuffs...

:awman:

(For the sake of truth in advertising and full disclosure I do not drive a Ford)

Bring the hate...

I may be buying my dad’s 2018 Ford F-150 SuperCrew with the 2.7L EcoBoost since they’ve moved to an apartment and he doesn’t use it anymore. Guess I’ll have to get over my marketing issues to have a nice truck as I wouldn’t buy a new truck myself, I’m a (sports) sedan guy. But with the cost of trucks, no way I’m passing up the family deal, plus he’ll get the use of it whenever he wants it.

 

[bbmach]

I’m constantly analyzing commercials for this sort of crap. One of the biggest marketing annoyances, yet it has been a win for the company, which speaks to dumb consumers, is Ford’s use of EcoBoost. EcoBoost is just Ford’s trademarked name for the turbocharger, which was originally patented in 1905.

At least it isn’t some random consumer product with Blue Technology or similar stupidity.

I hear ya - but car manufacturers have been naming engines for a long time. At the risk of dating myself: Rocket, Turbojet (without a turbocharger), Thunderjet, Cobrajet, Iron Duke, Super Duty, Hemi, Cammer…

 

[dgage]

I hear ya - but car manufacturers have been naming engines for a long time. At the risk of dating myself: Rocket, Turbojet (without a turbocharger), Thunderjet, Cobrajet, Iron Duke, Super Duty, Hemi, Cammer…

I hear you but not quite the same. They still name their engines like the Coyote but EcoBoost is for those engines with a turbocharger. But hey, good on them for winning the marketing game. But I don’t have to like it.