Introducing the MOST CONCENTRATED waterless wash - by BLACKFIRE

rlmccarty2000 said:
Pinnacle WW with carnauba works well as a QD. I'm still a 2 bucket guy, but if it is very light dirt I'll use Pinnacle WW, but I always get the feeling I'm scratching my car. Just OCD.
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I don't know about other WW products, but I've found the Pinnacle WW to be a better QD and drying aid than an actual WW.
 
aim4squirrels said:
FUNX725 said:
Yes...I definitely do. :props:

There's even precedence.



TO WIT:



Originally Posted by Michael Stoops





Thanks for that info. And you too, cardaddy.



My only reason for adding a structure so rigid to the definition is that I personally have a notion that rinseless and waterless washes are different types of washes (that could have very different risks to induce swirls on to the paint). Those two terms get used very interchangeably on forum to the point that I can't always differentiate which type of wash is getting spoken about. Hence, I set up a parameter to have an answer tailored to my notion of a waterless and rinseless wash.



As to the notion of a QD, good gracious that's a whole other can of worms. I was always under the impression that a QD was only for very light dusting, fingerprint smudges, etc. Basically, you've washed the car at home, andyouwant to really freshen it up at the car show five minutes from the house. Or, you finished the car for the client last night, and you want to knock the dust off it just before he picks it up in the morning.



But then here we go with different dilution ratios for rinseless wash products doubling for QD duty (and sometimes even waterless) where the QD is a much higher ratio of product to water than the rinseless wash concentrations. My thoughts on that is using it like a traditional QD (spritz panel with QD, and wipe with dry towel) is similar to a waterless wash, save the waterless wash is being used on a panel much dirtier than would be considered safe for a QD.



So as far as concentration of product to water:



Waterless>QD>Rinseless



But as far as safety for use on dirty cars:



Rinseless>waterless>QD.
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IMO and understanding the dilution ratios for QD over WW are higher because you wouldn't saturate the panel in the same way with a QD as you do with WW. For a QD, maybe 1-2 sprays per panel while WW you saturate to basically dripping so you have more water allowed to distribute product and add lubricity you would otherwise miss on a QD.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I am off but that was my understanding.
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aim4squirrels said:
FUNX725 said:
Yes...I definitely do. :props:

There's even precedence.



TO WIT:



Originally Posted by Michael Stoops





Thanks for that info. And you too, cardaddy.



My only reason for adding a structure so rigid to the definition is that I personally have a notion that rinseless and waterless washes are different types of washes (that could have very different risks to induce swirls on to the paint). Those two terms get used very interchangeably on forum to the point that I can't always differentiate which type of wash is getting spoken about. Hence, I set up a parameter to have an answer tailored to my notion of a waterless and rinseless wash.



As to the notion of a QD, good gracious that's a whole other can of worms. I was always under the impression that a QD was only for very light dusting, fingerprint smudges, etc. Basically, you've washed the car at home, andyouwant to really freshen it up at the car show five minutes from the house. Or, you finished the car for the client last night, and you want to knock the dust off it just before he picks it up in the morning.



But then here we go with different dilution ratios for rinseless wash products doubling for QD duty (and sometimes even waterless) where the QD is a much higher ratio of product to water than the rinseless wash concentrations. My thoughts on that is using it like a traditional QD (spritz panel with QD, and wipe with dry towel) is similar to a waterless wash, save the waterless wash is being used on a panel much dirtier than would be considered safe for a QD.



So as far as concentration of product to water:



Waterless>QD>Rinseless



But as far as safety for use on dirty cars:



Rinseless>waterless>QD.
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IMO and understanding the dilution ratios for QD over WW are higher because you wouldn't saturate the panel in the same way with a QD as you do with WW. For a QD, maybe 1-2 sprays per panel while WW you saturate to basically dripping so you have more water allowed to distribute product and add lubricity you would otherwise miss on a QD.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I am off but that was my understanding.
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I just used this product yesterday morning and still love how it works, I'll always have this product in my collection, especially since that bottle makes 6 gallons. Here is where I believe in using distilled water because once you make a gallon you don't have worry about the mid going had over time💡

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Klasse Act said:
I just used this product yesterday morning and still love how it works, I'll always have this product in my collection, especially since that bottle makes 6 gallons. Here is where I believe in using distilled water because once you make a gallon you don't have worry about the mid going had over time💡

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Carry a spray bottle of this with me too. Works great and very economical!!!
 
LaFawnduh said:
aim4squirrels said:
IMO and understanding the dilution ratios for QD over WW are higher because you wouldn't saturate the panel in the same way with a QD as you do with WW. For a QD, maybe 1-2 sprays per panel while WW you saturate to basically dripping so you have more water allowed to distribute product and add lubricity you would otherwise miss on a QD.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I am off but that was my understanding.
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IMO the dilution ratio with a QD is more concentrated because you need to glide clay or a clay mitt over it. A WW would be more concentrated because you are spraying the panel directly to clean it compared to the heavy saturation of water/solution used for a RW.

Just my .02
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Will bump this instead of making a new thread. So, who has used this on a fairly dirty car @ 1:48? My car went unwashed for 2 months, enduring a small dust storm and a few light rain storms. So it was pretty dirty, I used CG EcoSmart @ 1:16 (newer formula) I went thru a bunch of Eagle Edgeless towels, but the end results were great. I'm in So Cal, so it wasn't caked on muddy dirt, was more a dry dusty type dirty. BF @ 3x the dilution of ecoSmart's really peaking my interest. I know D114 can be used @ 1:128, but I like the anti static polymers in this a lot.
 
Is this the same product that AG is selling for 17.99 for a 20 oz bottle?
 
Wolfgang Uber has the same dilution ratio as the Backfire.
 
Klasse Act said:
That may be a concentrate?

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No, the spray bottle is ready to use. I know, went through the whole thing in a wash and a half. Then got smart and bought UWW concentrate.
 
No, what I mean is the small bottle with the measuring cup is the concentrate and the gallon isn't, right?

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Oops, wrong thread, so many rinseless and waterless wash talk going on here.

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