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sportscarhiatus said:
Thanks for reviving this old thread. I am still looking for a "safe" way of removing existing LSP's. I have tried the IPA way, and I could never get comfortable using it. Even though I was using a quality MF, it seemed like I had to use a lot of effort to get the MF to "wipe" the paint after I spray. I get worried about marring the paint by rubbing too hard.

So, after reading all the pages on this thread, I am still confused as to whether or not Mineral Spirits is safe to use on our clearcoat finishes. Since it's a paint thinner, will it REMOVE or DAMAGE clearcoat? or does it only attack the LSP? I was hoping to pick some up if indeed it is safe to use.
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There are many safe ways to strip paint. IPA, mineral spirts, APC , and others are all widely used with safe results. I have used all three methods and will at various times continue to do so depending on what I'm working on and what I have readily available. My preferred method of removing LSP's is to first use P21S Total Auto Wash. I will pre-wet the vehicle, then spray on P21S TAW with a hand spray bottle, let it dwell for a few minutes (making sure that it does not dry on the paint), then wash and dry as usual. Then I will wipe down the paint with IPA or mineral spirts (especially if I am going to polish). P21S is a great and gentle way of removing LSP's I'm just not sure that it will remove all sealants:dunno: that's why I like to follow up with IPA or mineral spirits. (I am actulaly starting to prefer mineral spirits over IPA, to me it dosen't seem to streak like I get sometimes with IPA)...
 
sportscarhiatus said:
Thanks for reviving this old thread. I am still looking for a "safe" way of removing existing LSP's. I have tried the IPA way, and I could never get comfortable using it. Even though I was using a quality MF, it seemed like I had to use a lot of effort to get the MF to "wipe" the paint after I spray. I get worried about marring the paint by rubbing too hard.

So, after reading all the pages on this thread, I am still confused as to whether or not Mineral Spirits is safe to use on our clearcoat finishes. Since it's a paint thinner, will it REMOVE or DAMAGE clearcoat? or does it only attack the LSP? I was hoping to pick some up if indeed it is safe to use.
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To remove old LSP's in preparation for claying, polishing, etc. I like to use Chemical Guy's Citrus Wash and Clear at paint prep dilution ratio through my foam gun. Works quickly and safely and the paint is ready to go. I'm sure other brands have a similar LSP stripping wash product.
 
ironman1982 said:
To remove old LSP's in preparation for claying, polishing, etc. I like to use Chemical Guy's Citrus Wash and Clear at paint prep dilution ratio through my foam gun. Works quickly and safely and the paint is ready to go. I'm sure other brands have a similar LSP stripping wash product.
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This might be the way to go... also, at times, I would just like to strip an LSP to apply a new LSP I haven't used before. This way I don't have layer upon layer upon layer of sealant/nubas...
 
Another way to remove any previously applied wax or paint sealant is to use a light paint cleaner by hand or machine, or a light swirl remover...

It will remove any previously applied wax or paint sealant, remove any minor imperfections and restore a fresh clean base that's smooth and glossy... this is working forwards in the process...

Wiping or washing with chemical strong enough to strip wax or sealant don't tend to increase beauty... but just the opposite, diminish beauty... this is working backwards...



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I can't speak to the dangers of other chemicals such as body solvents, paintwork cleaning cremes/polishes, other wash solutions, total car APCs, or even mineral spirits (reason for my previous posts) since I have only used IPA wipedowns and claying to remove LSPs, but I can speak to the effectiveness of CG Citrus Wash and Clear as can many others who use it for their livelihood/profession. It has worked without issue on all my vehicles as well as friend's and family's vehicles. Never leaves the finish anything but sparkling clean, no dullness or cloudiness to be found. Great sudsing ability and rinses clean. Out of all available methods this is by far the fastest with the least effort involved IMO.
 
So simply using any brand claybar with lube removes ALL lsp's??? or does it not strip strong sealants?
 
sportscarhiatus said:
Thanks for reviving this old thread. I am still looking for a "safe" way of removing existing LSP's. I have tried the IPA way, and I could never get comfortable using it. Even though I was using a quality MF, it seemed like I had to use a lot of effort to get the MF to "wipe" the paint after I spray. I get worried about marring the paint by rubbing too hard.

So, after reading all the pages on this thread, I am still confused as to whether or not Mineral Spirits is safe to use on our clearcoat finishes. Since it's a paint thinner, will it REMOVE or DAMAGE clearcoat? or does it only attack the LSP? I was hoping to pick some up if indeed it is safe to use.
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I've never seen any damage done to a clear coat finish after wiping with Mineral Spirits. It also wipes easier than IPA and leaves a clear finish, IPA doesn't always do that...

I watched the chemists at Meguiar's use Mineral Spirits as a standard for stripping paint during testing... they have some pretty good chemists over there...

Take it for what you will...


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sportscarhiatus said:
So simply using any brand claybar with lube removes ALL lsp's??? or does it not strip strong sealants?
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No clay will not strip all lsp's. Also do not use Mineral Spirits, it contains oils so you are defeating the purpose of trying to remove polish residue.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
No clay will not strip all lsp's. Also do not use Mineral Spirits, it contains oils so you are defeating the purpose of trying to remove polish residue.
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I felt like I had to revive this old thread again. I see some folks are claiming that Mineral Spirits (including Mike P) is a good way to remove LSP's and polish residue, right before applying LSP's. Then I see other folks claiming that MS is bad for paint, it has oils, etc etc...

So which is it? I'll be applying PO85RD here soon, and wanted to know the best way to remove the residue before applying a sealant.

am still confused.
 
I'm not saying that those that say no to use Mineral Spirits are wrong on what they say, and I'm sure those have their reasons to say so...

However, Mike has been doing this for a long time, we all have seen what he can do, and on what kind of cars he does it...

If you are so worry about it, why not do a test on a place that no one can see?
 
Hey Tad, I used that TAW you sent me and I LOVE it.

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sportscarhiatus said:
I felt like I had to revive this old thread again. I see some folks are claiming that Mineral Spirits (including Mike P) is a good way to remove LSP's and polish residue, right before applying LSP's. Then I see other folks claiming that MS is bad for paint, it has oils, etc etc...

So which is it? I'll be applying PO85RD here soon, and wanted to know the best way to remove the residue before applying a sealant.

am still confused.
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It is as simple as reading the bottle and seeing that mineral spirits contain oils. So you are defeating the purpose. You need to use some type of solvent that does not contain any type of oils to be sure all lsp's or polish residue is completely removed.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
It is as simple as reading the bottle and seeing that mineral spirits contain oils. So you are defeating the purpose. You need to use some type of solvent that does not contain any type of oils to be sure all lsp's or polish residue is completely removed.
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And to each their own...

When I wipe down paint with Mineral Spirits, something I learned from 'real chemists', it removes any fillers and leaves a squeaky clean surface and I like how it works better than IPA. IPA works great but it always looks and feels so harsh to the paint... that's just my own opinion, anyone can test both approaches out and develop their own opinion.

And what's really cool is everyone can find a way that works best for them... that's the freedom we enjoy...

Then decide for yourself... The only test that really counts is the one you do yourself and purchasing some odorless mineral spirits and some IPA can be done for less than $10.00

I never find this topic interesting enough to argue with anyone over... just find something you like and use it...


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When doing an IPA wipe down, why does it matter if it's streaking on you? If your next step is to polish then it will remove this anyway
 
sportscarhiatus said:
I felt like I had to revive this old thread again. I see some folks are claiming that Mineral Spirits (including Mike P) is a good way to remove LSP's and polish residue, right before applying LSP's. Then I see other folks claiming that MS is bad for paint, it has oils, etc etc...

So which is it? I'll be applying PO85RD here soon, and wanted to know the best way to remove the residue before applying a sealant.

am still confused.
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Stripping the paint to make sure you're removing all defects and not leaving any behind is a good way to make sure you're getting the results you want.

I'm not a huge fan of stripping paint just to insure your choice of LSP will bond or adhere, I think it's making the act of waxing your car more difficult and more rocket science then it has to be... but I also don't care if others choose to do this procedure, personal preference.

Now if a specific manufacture officially recommends this procedure, then my posting history always shows I recommend to follow the manufacturer's recommendations, so read their recommendations and follow them.


For what it's worth...
I've never seen anyone walk out to their garage the next day after waxing their car to find a pile of wax on the floor surrounding the car because it didn't bond and slipped off the car...

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matth9 said:
When doing an IPA wipe down, why does it matter if it's streaking on you? If your next step is to polish then it will remove this anyway
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It IS an issue because if you're doing an IPA wipedown after your final polish PRIOR to putting on an LSP. If there is another polishing step, then I agree, point is moot. But if it's streaking or harming the paint in any way... why would I want to do that before an LSP???
 
Ok, Ive been briefly searching this morning about the purpose of this Wipe down.

can anyone explain why i should do this?

Also, i do my own body work, so i have some paint prep wipes. would they do the same? they are designed to remove wax, grease, ect... I assume the IPA would do the same thing as the alcohol can cut through the wax and grease. but might there be things in those products that can be harmful to my paint?

Does it have any benefits other then letting you see if your compounding was effective?
 
sportscarhiatus said:
It IS an issue because if you're doing an IPA wipedown after your final polish PRIOR to putting on an LSP. If there is another polishing step, then I agree, point is moot. But if it's streaking or harming the paint in any way... why would I want to do that before an LSP???
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The streaking is just the alcohol and any remaining residues on the surface after you wipe. They are so minimal that application and removal of your LSP will also remove these trace residues. This is common to alcohol wipe-downs, especially if you use the stronger dilution. Using the 50/50 Isopropyl Alcohol to water version will reduce this or diluting the stronger version with water will also help reduce streaking and increase play time for wipe-off before evaporation and thus smears and streaks.

You also get smears and streaks when you strip paint with an All Purpose Cleaner, it's because Alcohol and APC's are not "Beauty" products for paint, so don't expect them to leave a clear, streak free finish, that's something a quality spray detailing or spray wax will do.

You can make waxing your car as complicated as you want, heck if you want re-wash the car using your favorite soap or detergent wash... again... it's up to each person to decide how many steps they want to do before applying their LSP...

Freestyle...


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