Iron X Snow soap qustions

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Hi,

I have an Opti-Guarded car that I want to top with Reload for extra slickness. I know Reload needs a clean oil free surface to bond to and unfortunately most of my shampoos and my rinseless washes have polymers/shine enhancers etc in them. So I was thinking of going with Iron X Snow Soap to leave a completely clean surface for the Reload to bond to. I had two qustoins though: Will snow soap affect the durability of the Opti-Guard? Will it turn my wheel weights and capipers green?

Thanks,
Drew
 
I also wondered about snow soap, and trix. I don't have optiguard, but I have chrome wheels I was concerned with, along with my wheel weights. I wanted to know if snow soap and trix are safe on both, and which is better
 
I have used snow soap, and it is lsp safe. I use it on my wifes white Journey all the time, and gts the car cleaner than almost anything else without stripping the wax. It's never turned my weights or calipers green.


I mix it 8:1 in a pump sprayer and hit the vehicle with it after a rinse with the pressure washer. It conserves a lot of chemical doing it that way.
 
it will not affect the durability of your coating, they're both safe on chrome wheels. Just don't allow trix to dry in the sun and rinse all openings and crevices in your wheel and tire thoroughly.
 
WRXINXS said:
Hi,

I have an Opti-Guarded car that I want to top with Reload for extra slickness. I know Reload needs a clean oil free surface to bond to and unfortunately most of my shampoos and my rinseless washes have polymers/shine enhancers etc in them. So I was thinking of going with Iron X Snow Soap to leave a completely clean surface for the Reload to bond to. I had two qustoins though: Will snow soap affect the durability of the Opti-Guard? Will it turn my wheel weights and capipers green?

Thanks,
Drew
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Snow Soap won't make your surface oil free: it's a product that doesn't strip LSPs.
As for the questions, it won't affect the durability of the coatings and as it is weaker than IronX it probably won't turn your wheel weights green (this is always reversable even if it happens). But always rinse well and you won't have to worry about it later.
 
I was hoping snow soap would get my Opti-Guarded surface more prepared to accept Reload than a shampoo with gloss enhancers/conditioners and polymers.
 
Ditto to the comments on not leaving the surface oil free. IXSS is a regular shampoo which also dissolves iron - nothing special to make it dissolve oils better than other shampoos. Also I should point out that it is full of polymers, as are most wheel cleaners, washing up liquids, etc, etc. A very large percentage of surfactants ARE polymers.

What is wrong with a wash followed by IPA wipe? I thought OG was plenty tough enough not to suffer.
 
I guess I think an IPA washdown after each wash just so reload will stick might be a bit overkill.
 
Snow soap has a degreasing agent and is quite a bit different than other shampoos. Depending on dilution it can affect waxes as well.
 
Your average shampoo/APC/fallout remover/snow foam/etc. will contain several surfactants and solvents which are potent degreasing agents in their own right. It is probably more difficult to find a cleaning product which does not contain degreasers.
 
Cory, would you say that washing wilth snow soap would be a good choice if you want the Reload to get as best bond as possible with Opti-Guard? Instead of other normal shampoos. (I have p21s, duragloss 901, griots, wolfgang etc).
 
Just pickup citrus wash and clear, it's an incredible soap
 
Mr Megane said:
Ditto to the comments on not leaving the surface oil free. IXSS is a regular shampoo which also dissolves iron - nothing special to make it dissolve oils better than other shampoos. Also I should point out that it is full of polymers, as are most wheel cleaners, washing up liquids, etc, etc. A very large percentage of surfactants ARE polymers.

What is wrong with a wash followed by IPA wipe? I thought OG was plenty tough enough not to suffer.
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Hi Mr. Megane

you have big mistake there, IXSS doesnt have any polymers inside ,it has shampoo ingredients , but no polymers . mostly Alkyl ether sulfates beside the ironX ingredients.
IXSS is stronger than normal shampoo and will degrease the car paint when used neat or concentrated.
 
Avi@CarPro said:
Hi Mr. Megane

you have big mistake there, IXSS doesnt have any polymers inside ,it has shampoo ingredients , but no polymers . mostly Alkyl ether sulfates beside the ironX ingredients.
IXSS is stronger than normal shampoo and will degrease the car paint when used neat or concentrated.
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Hi Avi,

My wording was poor as I was using this as an opportunity to highlight the eroneous use of the term 'polymer' in the detailing industry (notably that polymers are extremely common in chemical cleaners). Laureth sulfate, which you note, does not have an EC number associated due to it having been exempted as a 'polymer'. So from that chemical perspective, Ether sulfate was/is considered a polymer, so since IXSS contains ES it follows that IXSS contains polymers.

As I say, I was using this to highlight a point. Polymer is used by detailers and detailer suppliers but sometimes it is used to describe reactive organics/silicones/hybrids (as in sealants and similar) and sometimes it is used to describe cleaning and encapsulating components and surfactants. But then others use the term totally differently (as yourselves). Something of a mess.

Also, like you say, IXSS contains shampoo like ingredients, many of which are degreasers so this degreasing characteristic is far from unique to IXSS.

Have a good Christmas.
 
Would using it by soaking your wash mitt and adding it straight to the mitt still not affect the opti-guard. I guess you would call that full strength. Opti-guard is chemical resistant though?
 
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Avi@CarPro said:
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IXSS is stronger than normal shampoo and will degrease the car paint when used neat or concentrated.
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This will be a rather expensive way of degreasing a car...

WRXINXS said:
Would using it by soaking your wash mitt and adding it straight to the mitt still not affect the opti-guard. I guess you would call that full strength. Opti-guard is chemical resistant though?
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I am sure OG will be fine.
 
My guess is that the OG will not be affected at all. I did some tests with Gtechniq's Exo to see what it would take to remove; using a my scrap yard test panel. Exo claims to last 600 washes or in reality 2 years on a DD.

I used CG citruswash and gloss diluted to the paint cleansing dilution and no agitation: nothing happened.

So I used Dawn Power Lift in a high concentration, some like agitation: water still beaded off, but not as easily.

Now eventually it will come off, but it is very durable. Now OG is a much stronger and durable coating then Exo, so I will assume that it will resist pretty much everything you can throw at it.

So there is no problem with Snow soap.. Expect one! IT STINKS!! If you are using a foam gun or cannon, the soap is being projected through the air and make everything smell like death.
 
Has anyone tried using Iron X Snow Soap as their lube while claying? Often times when I get a car that is in bad shape (contaminant wise, not marring), instead of wasting time by doing an hour and a half of claying, I will use a decon system and clay while the acid step is dwelling. Because the acid is dissolving the bonded ferrous metals, it is like your clay is on steroids, greatly speeding up the claying process. I wonder if claying with Iron X Snow Soap would have a similar affect?
 
Bert31 said:
Has anyone tried using Iron X Snow Soap as their lube while claying? Often times when I get a car that is in bad shape (contaminant wise, not marring), instead of wasting time by doing an hour and a half of claying, I will use a decon system and clay while the acid step is dwelling. Because the acid is dissolving the bonded ferrous metals, it is like your clay is on steroids, greatly speeding up the claying process. I wonder if claying with Iron X Snow Soap would have a similar affect?
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There is no reason why not. IXSS (and IX itself, for that matter) will provide plenty of lubrication. I haven't done this with IX but an equivalent product and it does work although with heavy contamination you end up with a seriously purple vehicle! I have no doubt IX would do great in this application.
 
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