Is a Glaze really Important???

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I am in the doubt side based on my experience, however, I am always open to constructive criticism and someone suggested I use a glaze before I use a LSP.

After compounding and polishing I wipe down and then put on a sealant and top off with a wax.

I was told after the polish I should use a glaze and then IPA wipe (or equivalent) then sealant and wax.


IMO, I think that is overkill. My car or friends car has no imperfections after my technique. It passes the flashlight test and no scratches or RIDS.

I use Menz FG400 for compounding and then Menz SF4500. Is a Glaze necessary? IMO I say NO and NOT NECESSARY.

If there is a valid reason to use a glaze form opinions, I am always open to the possibility of a glaze.

Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Yoda Mike Phillips, Smack, Setec, Jaddie, 281, Pro 4x, Bobby G, or anyone else your thoughts.

FUNX725 I await your fun wisdom or being the devils advocate!...LOL


Feed back please
 
I would not use a glaze.. and then immediately get rid of most of its attributes...by treating it to an IPA (or any other "panel wipe") wipe-down.

Waste not; Want not!!

"Bob" McDuck
 
I usually do use glaze on my car prior to sealant or wax. Gives it a little extra pop. Car is is pretty good shape, but is a daily driver and paint is not 100% perfect. Purely optional, just depends on personal preference. CG makes great glazes, PB white is good, and prima amigo is awesome, though it might not exactly fit into the category of a pure glaze.
Agree that an IPA wipe down would likely remove any glaze you just applied; not seeing the point of that.
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
Yoda Mike Phillips, Smack, Setec, Jaddie, 281, Pro 4x, Bobby G, or anyone else your thoughts.
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Sheesh, how did I get included in that group?

FUNX725 said:
I would not use a glaze.. and then immediately get rid of most of its attributes...by treating it to an IPA (or any other "panel wipe") wipe-down.
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I agree.

I stopped using oily glazes (like Meg's #7) a long time ago because they didn't seem to be of much benefit on clearcoat paint. However, I have not used any of the durable glazes (like Wet Glaze 2.0, or the ones from Poorboy's or Chemical Guys), which many people swear by.
 
A glaze really can change the final look of a vehicle, even one that has no discernable flaws in the paint. In my experience, it helps get a glassier or wetter look when topping with a sealant, versus a quality carnauba. Adds a bit to a sealant, IMO and gets ita bit closer to wax in the looks department.

That being said, glazes tend to drop off in looks faster than the sealant is finished with its protection, or so I've found. It's possible that the breakdown under the sealant causes a sealant to fail prematurely. Glazes should definitely not be used before coating application.

I think the best use of a glaze is for the average Joe, that doesn't want to spend the time buffing out swirls (or doesn't know how to), a DD that is in between maintenance polishes to preserve clearcoat, or going to a show and shine to get that extra something.

Regardless, it would likely be detrimental to the glaze to perform an IPA wipe down after the application. That would likely be a step just before the glaze, not after.
 
I am in agreement with RMD. IMHO, the only reason you'd use a glaze is provide an additional gloss, or cover up minor swirls - but only on a car that hasn't been polished recently, like a DD.
If you just compounded & polished the paint to perfection, the added step of putting a glaze on would be wasted time and effort.
Glaze has it's place, but in this scenario you just described, it does not.

Sent from my SM-G900T using AG Online
 
I disagree with, "I think the best use of a glaze is for the average Joe, that doesn't want to spend the time buffing out swirls (or doesn't know how to)"

If this Joe doesn't want to spend the time buffing out swirls, why would he want to take the time to apply a product: that when used by itself, will be gone in a couple of weeks.



I use CG EZ Glaze Acrylic after a polish and before I apply Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant.

I think it does add something to the wetness of the look and dies fill minor defects that were not removed by the polish step.

I still get 6 months of longevity out if the sealant.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Sheesh, how did I get included in that group?



I agree.

I stopped using oily glazes (like Meg's #7) a long time ago because they didn't seem to be of much benefit on clearcoat paint. However, I have not used any of the durable glazes (like Wet Glaze 2.0, or the ones from Poorboy's or Chemical Guys), which many people swear by.
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Setec Astronomy!! You have given at times pretty good opinions which I mostly agree. Most of the people here on this site are IMO avid detailers. Based on my threads with you in the past you have reasonable opinions and "tell it like it is".

I do not consider you Jabba the Hut!!!....LOL
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
I use Menz FG400 for compounding and then Menz SF4500. Is a Glaze necessary? IMO I say NO and NOT NECESSARY.

If there is a valid reason to use a glaze form opinions, I am always open to the possibility of a glaze.
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If a woman uses foundation, is it necessary for her to use blush as well? :dunno:

I guess the valid reason is because it makes you happy. If it doesn't, then don't use a glaze.
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
Setec Astronomy!! You have given at times pretty good opinions which I mostly agree. Most of the people here on this site are IMO avid detailers. Based on my threads with you in the past you have reasonable opinions and "tell it like it is".
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I'm just a little uncomfortable with my opinion being given the same weight as Mike Phillips! I always wanted to try Wet Glaze 2.0 though....
 
allenk4 said:
If this Joe doesn't want to spend the time buffing out swirls, why would he want to take the time to apply a product: that when used by itself, will be gone in a couple of weeks.
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I can tell you why. I'll use myself as an example.

I'm not real fond of polishing/correcting my car more than once a year from a clear coat preservation standpoint. However, due to living in the mid-west US, I need to put a fresh LSP on my car in the fall. I also know that winter will be hard on the paint and it will be under layers of grime and salt for extended periods, so my annual correction needs to happen during the Spring. When I do my fall detail, I throw a little glaze on it to cover up any blemishes that occurred during the Spring/Summer and then top it with my LSP of choice.

Last winter I used Poorboy's Black Hole under 845 and I easily got six months out of it. This fall I might try Amigo just to see if I like it any better. Either way the car will look great for the 5~10 days in the winter it actually stays clean.
 
A glaze yeah it could change the look, and sometime the feel of your paintwork but that depends on glaze now something like meguiars number 7 glaze that to me is a lotion that moisturize and adds nutrients back into the paintwork, and i feel you should apply that to paintwork once in a while to hopefully slow down on the paint ageing process though if you have a show glaze like poorboys blackhole yeah now that not necessarily gonna add moisturization into the paint but will hide minor imperfections so at the end of day is a glaze important, yes if it like number 7, but wheathe or not number 7 it's needed every time you polish,apply a lsp, etc just every year or six months
 
I am pro glaze and still have a case of Wet Glaze 2.0 and a gallon of CG EZ crème glaze. When I am looking for that extra wow on one of my cars or for a customers car I top it with a glaze. I recently did a black 05 Mustang GT and topped it with WG 2.0 the customer was astonished. It just adds that extra pop, more to the reflection and dripping wet look.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/82070-2005-mustang-gt-vert.html
 
[I was told after the polish I should use a glaze and then IPA wipe (or equivalent) then sealant and wax.]

thats bonkers. if you used an ipa wipe down after using glaze you'd just remove the glaze again. whoever told you to do that is a pillock lol
i dont glaze before sealant, but i aways do before wax. glazes help waxes spread better and add depth, but can interfere with the behaviour of some sealants. its all horses for courses really, but the info you were given is just plane wrong.
 
Niblick said:
[I was told after the polish I should use a glaze and then IPA wipe (or equivalent) then sealant and wax.]

thats bonkers. if you used an ipa wipe down after using glaze you'd just remove the glaze again. whoever told you to do that is a pillock lol
i dont glaze before sealant, but i aways do before wax. glazes help waxes spread better and add depth, but can interfere with the behaviour of some sealants. its all horses for courses really, but the info you were given is just plane wrong.
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Thanks for the input. Based on the input, I will just stick to my technique and not worry about the glaze. I agree that technique is bonkers or pillocks!!!!.....LOL

If I did not polish and had a DD that just needed some minor correction, I can see the benefits of a glaze (hides the minor scratches). My car has an awesome wet look from the carnauba wax that I have right now CG Celeste Detaglio. PS: I love Dodo Juice Supernatural too!!


I will stick with my technique for now.

Take care

:buffing:
 
Correction done all the way to Menz 4500.
Panel wipe done to perfection.
May just be me, but I don't see where the glaze has anywhere to provide any benefit. :dunno:

Sure, it'll provide just that extra bit of 'pop' (on some surfaces) but after Menz 4500 I doubt it's doing any filling, just sitting on the surface. So when the IPA/Eraser etc wipe is done it's likely removing completely (or darned near).

Then again.... OCD runs wild 'round these hear parts. :D
 
cardaddy said:
Correction done all the way to Menz 4500.
Panel wipe done to perfection.
May just be me, but I don't see where the glaze has anywhere to provide any benefit. :dunno:

Sure, it'll provide just that extra bit of 'pop' (on some surfaces) but after Menz 4500 I doubt it's doing any filling, just sitting on the surface. So when the IPA/Eraser etc wipe is done it's likely removing completely (or darned near).

Then again.... OCD runs wild 'round these hear parts. :D
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:iagree: After Menz SF4500 my ride or my friends and family's rides are gleemin!!
 
Desternate,

Comparing yourself to "Joe" does not reinforce your point.

You are no "Joe".

That is a compliment
 
If you ever used wet glaze 2, you'd see your paint transform into something to behold. Glazes are not necessary but they do provide a look that a wax doesn't, and they are great for folks that don't want to keep removing clear coat for whatever reason. If somebody wants to get rich....produce a filling glaze with the longevity of a sealant or coating. You'd use it religiously and never polish again. Addition by addition. Their short lifespan is the downside although I've easily gotten several weeks out of acrylic glazes as they don't wash off easily and bond well with waxes or sealants.
 
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