Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

Rsurfer said:
The next big hype will be graphene.
You will see this in not only detailing supplies...
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Graphene is hydrophilic.

Wonder how much hyping of that
characteristic it’s going to take to
win over the ‘beading-crowd’?


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
Graphene is hydrophilic.

Wonder how much hyping of that
characteristic it’s going to take to
win over the ‘beading-crowd’?


Bob
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Eh, it still beads enough to satisfy folks, likely due to the other elements in it, possibly Silazane and Polydimenthylsiloxane.

Enough that mfg's still use 'hydrophobic' in the description anyway. Regardless, the beads will satisfy all but the most ardent contact-angle fans.
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
Eh, it still beads enough to satisfy folks, likely due to the other elements in it, possibly Silazane and Polydimenthylsiloxane.

Enough that mfg's still use 'hydrophobic' in the description anyway. Regardless, the beads will satisfy all but the most ardent contact-angle fans.
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•Eh, And you know this how?
-Link? TIA


Bob
 
Dan Tran said:
I’m old fashioned. What can I say.
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I guess I am too.

I love the way my sealants/hybrid waxes (Collinite) work. I am satisfied with the 6-8 months I get from them.

I do not mind applying them bi-annually. In fact, I really enjoy the process.

I don't feel the need to apply something that claims to last "Up to 2 years" (I read into that 1year) and then have to "babysit" it the same as a traditional wax/sealant.

Lastly, while I really enjoy the detailing of my vehicles..... I hate to spend more than I think I should.

$75-150 for a coating vs. 30 bucks for a can of 476 which will last me untold years. (14 applications now, and there is approximately 7/8ths of the can left.

To each his own, but I remain firmly planted in the "Old Fashion Camp". :)
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
Why, because the packaging notes sez so!
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•That’s just one of their methods of “hyping”.
-Kinda duplicitous, in a manner of speaking.

-Hucksters...OOOPS, “Hypers”...discovered a
long time ago that there are big profits in
recycling old ideas with new nomenclature.

Example:
•Remember Meguiar’s NXT 2.0?

-Because it wasn’t formulated during the
current onslaught of “Silica infused” hype,
Meguiar’s may have, inadvertently, over-
looked a primo hyping opportunity, IMO.
(But it’s said that hind-sight is 20/20)

-I’d almost bet the farm that it contained
almost as much, if not more, “Silica” than
does many of the current offerings on the
market today. And their Chemists even
threw in some Titanium—if that don’t take
the cake!


•Now, it appears to me that, to be ‘up-to-date’:
Meguiar’s has, also, piled-on the Ceramic/Silica
bandwagon—by recycling an old idea.



”What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.”
~Ecclesiastes 1:9



BudgetPlan1 said:
Tried to send ya PM with links and such
but yer at your limit for PM's
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Why not Post ‘em up, so they can be made
available for all interested parties?


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
•That’s just one of their methods of “hyping”.
-Kinda duplicitous, in a manner of speaking.

-Hucksters...OOOPS, “Hypers”...discovered a
long time ago that there are big profits in
recycling old ideas with new nomenclature.

Example:
•Remember Meguiar’s NXT 2.0?

-Because it wasn’t formulated during the
current onslaught of “Silica infused” hype,
Meguiar’s may have, inadvertently, over-
looked a primo hyping opportunity, IMO.
(But it’s said that hind-sight is 20/20)

-I’d almost bet the farm that it contained
almost as much, if not more, “Silica” than
does many of the current offerings on the
market today. And their Chemists even
threw in some Titanium—if that don’t take
the cake!


•Now, it appears to me that, to be ‘up-to-date’:
Meguiar’s has, also, piled-on the Ceramic/Silica
bandwagon—by recycling an old idea.



”What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.”
~Ecclesiastes 1:9




Why not Post ‘em up, so they can be made
available for all interested parties?


Bob
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Skeptic, eh?

Edit: As it could be construed as promoting a non-AG product on their forum, I removed the link to my notes and mfg info.

Regardless, it's a very effective product whether made with graphene, candle wax or eye of newt; nomenclature aside, that's where the rubber meets the road for me.

As with anything, YMMV.
 
Consumer companies have to keep up with the trends in order not to get pushed out of the market. Ever since true ceramics swept up the professional market, it was only a matter of time before this trend gravitated towards the OTC sellers. And we're still in the early stages, 2019 was practically the start of the blended sio2/ceramic consumer era and we're just now seeing the top consumer companies coming out with full lineups. So I would prepare for a lot more to come, and hopefully we get some gems out of it that exceed the performance of or push prices down of some of the products in the prosumer/enthusiast/professional lines.

As for the next breakthrough, I'm pretty satisfied with the performance that current coatings offer. CQuartz will outlast my personal polishing maintenance schedule, I will have wash-induced marring that I will want to remove well before the coating dies out. I suppose the next breakthrough for me is a sprayable coating as durable as CQuartz with the ease of use as a spray wax.
 
FUNX650 said:
Graphene is hydrophilic.

Wonder how much hyping of that characteristic it’s going to take to win over the ‘beading-crowd’?

Bob
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Mike Phillips said:
From the movie Idiocracy

Secretary of State: But Brawndo's got what plants crave.

It's got electrolytes.
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Coatingsarecrack said:
Lol...literally laughed out loud. Great and underrated movie.
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Ha ha... yeah, funny movie because sadly, it portrays the direction our world is going.

I was just trying to inject some levity into this thread.



And for the record, I get what Bob is saying about the "beading crowd". I have a long history of being against water beading because it leads to what in my opinion one of the WORST paint defects to have to remove and that is WATER SPOTS.

BUT - chemistry has changed. To date, I have not see the Type II Etching CRATERS inflicted into paint when water beading dries on paint. PLUS, I keep my wife's car coated and I love how fast it washes, how fast it dries and how a good, strong rain shower gives the car a "Mother Natures Car Wash". And the paint looks glassy and the coating doesn't wear off.

Like most things in life, there's good and bad to everything. Even marketing.

I love this quote and somewhere on the forum, guess what... I HAVE AN ARTICLE ON THIS TOPIC.


Nothing happens until somebody sells something - Red Motely



Think about it.



:xyxthumbs:
 
There may be an overabundance of products claiming to be ceramic or having SiO2 in them, but if you filter out all the hype and look simply at the products themselves and their performance there are a lot of new products on the market with some innovative chemistry.

I'm a big fan of coatings and "lite" coatings like CanCoat. These products look great, are easy to apply, easy to maintain, and last 2x to 4x longer than any sealant I've applied. The ease of maintenance and longer durability has completely changed the way I care for my vehicles.

If I lived somewhere with a much milder climate and had a garage queen or a non-racetrack weekend car, I would be all of the carnaubas and other waxes. However, since I've only got daily drivers and live in the mid-west, I need something very different.
 
I think there's definitely too many products and it makes picking one hard. But I'm all about the ceramic stuff because they make caring for cars much easier. I love a clean car. I hate cleaning it. So the more it can clean itself and stay clean, the better. Ceramic delivered in that much more than sealants/waxes ever did.
 
Bill D said:
Hmm. I can’t seem to find that one here or on the McKee’s site....
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It is called one McKee’s 37 Krystal Diamond SiO2 Ceramic Wax and is on the Mckee's site.
 
Never even bothered with ceramics for the reasons you mentioned, plus the ability to screw it up. I've never done a good polish and seal job and felt I was missing out. the toppers and all that stuff is just confusing and not worth it for me. I did by a ceramic wheel coating though.
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
I did the ceramic coatings and IMO there is a market for it. That being said, I went back to a great Carnuba Wax. My most recent wax is Pinnacle Black Label Reserve. I must say IMO nothing beats the wet look, depth and brilliance of a great carnuba wax. AGAIN, that IMO!!!! Additionally, I am a WAX SNOB so wax it is.

I have 3 favorite paste waxes: 1. Pinnacle Black Label Reserve Wax 2. Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax 3. Brand not supported by AGO so will not name it.

As for liquid waxes: Anything Polish Angel.

The WAX SNOB has SPOKEN!....LOL
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PA liquid waxes include SiO2, usually quite a bit of it. I love them and normal carnauba pastes as well.
 
FUNX650 said:
•Example:
•Remember Meguiar’s NXT 2.0?

-Because it wasn’t formulated during the
current onslaught of “Silica infused” hype,
Meguiar’s may have, inadvertently, over-
looked a primo hyping opportunity, IMO.
(But it’s said that hind-sight is 20/20)

-I’d almost bet the farm that it contained
almost as much, if not more, “Silica” than
does many of the current offerings on the
market today. And their Chemists even
threw in some Titanium—if that don’t take
the cake!
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True, but NXT isn’t a good beader and only lasts two months at best (my experience anyways). These two factors would go against the ceramic performance features that are so popular nowadays.
 
Most of you must have heard or seen the new Griot's ceramic 3-in-1 (e.g. hydrophobic polymers, SiO2, carnauba) at SEMA. I just watched the video where Nick made the statement how this spray-on LSP is more robust then sealants. :confused:

Sam gives a high-level overview with 6 months (e.g. conservative) longevity. "You are going to be able to replace traditional sealant and wax with this formula".
Thoughts?
 
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