Is Menzerna for PC or Rotary?

[Kris R]

Someone mentioned once that certain polishes that are GREAT for PC are not good for rotary because they break down too fast and dry out to quick. On the flip side certain ROTARY polishes are not good for PC because they dont generate enough heat to break them down.

Is this true? Im about to dive into the rotary world with a flex rotary and have no clue about rotary polishes.....Ive used pinnacle and XMT. (Is XMT good for rotary??)

Ive been reading alot about Menzerna and the autogeek site shows it being used with a PC and LC pads....

Could some one shed some light on the truth about what I wrote in the first paragraph?

Thanks guys!

Feed back please:buffing:Im the MAN

 

[budman3]

To answer your title, Menzerna is a professional grade product what was designed to be used on the production line at car factories, with rotary polishers.

I've mentioned what you've said in the first post several times before. I think the "rotary polishes" (if there were such a thing I'd include: Menzerna, Optimum, Presta, M8- series) have a better chance of working decently with a PC. However, I don't think that the "PC polishes" (if there were such a thing I'd include: SSRs, XMT, Danase SAI-III,) work very well with a rotary, for the reasons you stated above. The SSRs are excellent for PC work but I have a hard time using them with a rotary because they leave such a high expectation via PC.

Out of the two scenarios I'd be more willing to use "rotary polishes" with a PC rather than "PC polishes" with a rotary.

The one exception that I have is the Wolfgang TSR3.0 and FG3.0 polishes. It's a tweak to the Menzerna formula but the added lubricants and other ingredients make them very usable with a PC with no 'side effects'.

FWIW, I don't think I have ever read a manufacturer producing polishes for one single machine, whether it is a rotary, Flex DA, PC, Cycle, orbital or by hand, but after a lot of experimenting it's easy to tell what works better with what machine, so these are simply my opinions and $.02.

 

[loudog2]

Are we talking about random orbitals all together? Because the menzerna line works great witht the flex. Granted the flex is a lot more powerful than the PC.

 

[Kris R]

Im a little confused still. Forgive me Im a total noob when it comes to rotary. But what Im reading is that there is no such thing as a "rotary or PC polish"

But you could use all the polishes you listed as "rotary" with a PC just fine, But XMT for example wouldnt work as well with a ROTARY. For the reason I stated in the OP.

ok good to know.

I was refereing to a DA polisher (insert flex or PC or UDM) vs a ROTARY POLISHER (insert DeWalt, Makita or FLEX ROTARY here)

 

[RaskyR1]

Most polishes will work well with both machines. IMO, it really comes down to the paint you are working on, and the level of correction your trying to achieve. You won't know what works best until you do the test spot. There is no one combo that works best on every car. This is why I have LOTS of different polishes, as well as a PC, FLEX and Rotary.

There are polishes/compounds like Meguiars M105 for example, that states to only use it with a rotary or by hand....even though some users have had great success using it with a DA. Of course Meguiars has now reformulated it for use with both Rotary and DA use. :righton:

Hope this helps,
Rasky

 

[6LS2]

can use menzerna on both mate, but with something like Final Finish, the finished result will look better if it's done with a rotary

 

[TOGWT]

A sound understanding of the proper technique and a good process will produce excellent results even with a mediocre product. A quality product used without the proper surface preparation or application technique will never obtain a satisfactory result. Using the proper methodology (surface preparation, using a quality product, along with the correct application technique) will ensure an excellent result.

Orbital and dual-action polishers can be safely used by the weekend enthusiast, show car owner or professional detailer without fear of damaging the finish. If you're experienced in machine polishing, our professional rotary polishers will allow you to remove deeper scratches, swirls and paint defects. If you've been detailing your car by hand, consider stepping up to a machine polisher. You can not duplicate the friction required to adequately break-down diminishing abrasives unless you use a machine polisher that has sufficient torque.

Menzerna - these polishes were designed to work with high speed rotary polisher’s, utilizing friction to break-down the diminishing abrasives, while in the controlled temperature / humidity environment (working temp range 60 – 80.oF (15-26.oC) of a vehicle manufacturer’s paint shop finishing line (see also above).

 

[Junebug]

I have a PC and a Flex, sold the Makita and I use Menzerna polishes. The trick is to work the product long enough to break down the polish. You'll have to experiment a bit to get the right amount on the pad. Take your time and start in a 2x2 foot space. My advice for PC use is to only use the 4" orange LC pads for correction, you can go to the white 5.5" for final polishing. With the PC, you compensate for speed of the rotary with pressure on the pad - both produce heat and that works in the polish. I've taken deep scratches out of a Lexus with Menzerna IP and a 4" orange pad, you just had to be careful and check the temp of the area often. That was on a car that belonged to my boss's wife - so yeah, I was CAREFUL!