Is Pinnacle Advanced Swirl Remover Right for my application?

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Snowrydr01

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Im new to the detail world and jumped in with both feet.

Heres the scenario:

My wifes Black TSX Wagon went through an auto wash that she has been through hundreds of times over the last decade and someone relatively close to before her must have been filthy and really dirtied up the pads because her car now looks like someone took brillow from headlight to taillight. We couldn't prove it wasn't like that before and Ive come to terms with that.

Some of the marks seem pretty deep so i do not necessarily want to buff down to that level as we plan on having this car for a while and it will likely develop small scratches again so I am trying to merely minimize the effects. I am also pretty sure at one spot i can even start to see primer but thats another issue.

I bought poor boys black glaze (hoping for a slight fill), Klasse Sealer and BlackFire Montan black wax to try to "fill" and "hide" as much as i could. All to be applied with a Griots DA with various pads after a proper wash and clay ect.

Last week i gave it a test run on my Black Lexus Is350 with notoriously soft paint and while it looks fantastic i can still see mild swirls if i look for them through the beautiful shine. If it cant fill a car that's only a year old with 30k miles it definitively wouldn't do the trick on her damaged car.

SO its time to think slightly more aggressive. I like the sales pitch of Pinnacle being self deteriorating so i cant make it worse since i accept im new to this. I also like the pitch of breaking the hard edges of the scratch to lessen the visual impact. But question is am I going to be asking too much of it and just be disappointed?

Free time is a bit of a commodity with a 2.5 year old and an 8 month old so i would be more upset if i spent the 4 hours to do all this with poor results more then anything.

Any advice is appreciated

I know pictures will help so i will try to get some but its been raining a lot here recently.
 
I also have a black TSX, although I have a sedan, that just rolled 128K. I live in NY and the car gets killed every winter with sand and salt and I'm sure it ends up with way more scratches than you get through the car wash...lol.

The choices of polishes and swirl removers from AG are almost infinite at this point. I ended up using XMT360 AIO with a PC7424 and white 5.5" LC CCS pads. I'd say it ended up removing 90+% of the scratches. On some panels there was some slight micromarring, but I attribute that to not cleaning/changing pads often enough. Went over it with clean pad and was good to go.

Topped it with Collinite 845 and she does not look like a car with 128K.

The Acura paint is also notoriously soft. Black is tough.

I'm sure there will be others that have used other things and obtained decent results. I've seen 105/205 finish well, although I have not yet used them. I liked the XMT360 because it worked well, finished well, did not dust much, and made everything smell like cherries.
 
To answer your question. Yes.


You can do a two step, that is polish and wax or if you just want to do one step then like mentioned, get a one-step cleaner/wax like Pinnacle XMT 360 and be sure to use soft foam polishing pads. Like the LC 5.5" white foam polishing pad and clean it often.


The Pinnacle Advanced Swirl Remover followed by a wax will likely perfect the paint.

If the car is a daily driver then it's going to get more swirls and scratches into the future so learning how to use a one step cleaner/wax will save you a lot of time.

I have a few articles on using cleaner/waxes, probably a Google search using these terms,

cleaner/wax mike phillips

one-step cleaner/wax mike phillips


Will dig them up.


:)
 
Perfect, it sounds like what i should be going with.

While it might be overkill, would it be too much to use the poor boys black hole glaze and then the Klasse sealer after? While i already have everything out and the time set aside I feel like i should use the other products i already have as a once or twice a year FULL treatment.
 
I think you'd be alright using those as well, but the Pinnacle products are nice. Like Mike mentioned, an all-in-one like XMT 360...especially with the white pad he recommended, then use these two often should do wonders for what you're wanting to accomplish.

I like XMT 360. Cleans well, has some cut, and leaves a nice sealant that's super easy to work...just polish it in until it's gone, then lightly buff with a nice soft micro fiber. Buffing with the mf is just to bring up the gloss...you won't/shouldn't have any product to remove during this small buffing period.

Take a look at this thread and see for yourself what XMT 360 is capable of:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/74409-xmt360-vs-duragloss-501-clean-cut.html



Been wanting to get and use these products for a long time. I've seen Mike use them in person and they seem super easy to use. I need to pull the trigger.
The secret to the combo is to use the Pinnacle Advanced Swirl Remover (ASR) first, followed by the Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish (AFP).
 
I agree with everyone above. I think you will get just fine results with the Pinnacle ASR. Follow that up with the Black Ice and you should have one sweet looking car!

If you would like to try an All in one, XMT360 is as easy as they come. However, Wolfgang Uber AIO has a little more defect removal ability and supposably leaves better protection. Having said that, since you already have an awesome wax, I would just go with the one step of compounding and then wax it!
 
So I ended up with the XTM360 and will likely be giving it a shot next Wednesday.

Is there a recomended # of passes on the DA?

As a beginner i see this refferenced in how too's but no manufacturer seems to define.

Ive used 6 passes on the poor boys glaze and Klasse sealant and figured this weekend when i finally got the wax on the other car 4 seemed reasonable for a final wax coat?
 
Snowrydr01 said:
So I ended up with the XTM360 and will likely be giving it a shot next Wednesday.

Is there a recomended # of passes on the DA?

As a beginner i see this refferenced in how too's but no manufacturer seems to define.

Ive used 6 passes on the poor boys glaze and Klasse sealant and figured this weekend when i finally got the wax on the other car 4 seemed reasonable for a final wax coat?
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You are in the right place by going to the "how to's". IMO, Mike Phillips techniques is the final word on how to do something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q70g83mnTn4
 
I just wanted to circle back to close this thread.

I ended up using the XTM360 on an orange hexlogic pad and it did a great job of getting the brushed aluminum look off of sides of the wagon.

It was a very mild swirl remover and didnt even get rid of some of the water spot on the roof (had previously been clayed) but did a very good job rounding off the edges of the straight lines.

followed with black hole glaze and klasse sealer and it looks good...besides the major paint damage where you can see primer but that is what it is at this point.
 
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