Is there a place for Paint Cleansing Products?

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Originally Posted by theblob640
The sure fire way to strip any sealant off is to give your car a light polish or with a paint cleaner.


A general question about Paint Cleaners vs. Light Polish


I have Pinnacle Paint Cleansing Lotion, but have never used it.


I would never use it by hand....too slow...If I am going to get out the polisher with the objective of removing an LSP and cleaning up the paint...why not just use a light polish or an AIO like Klasse?


Light polish will remove the LSP AND improve the paint

Klasse will remove the LSP AND leave behind a protective layer
 
allenk4 said:
A general question about Paint Cleaners vs. Light Polish
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I've almost gone to the point, at times, of saying: "horse feathers"...

But since there are so many car-care companies that offer so many car-care products, that perform nearly the same as one another---and with so many different names---I'll say that it's very difficult to make a genuinely "correct" choice.

However:
After washing/drying, and determining if the vehicle needs clayed, or not...
I, for one, will always opt for a polish to further facilitate any necessary cleaning that the paint is deemed, by me, to receive.

I'll also take this opportunity to paraphrase this Mr. Phillips adage:
"Go by what the product in the bottle does;
Not what the label on the bottle says it is."


allenk4 said:
If I am going to get out the polisher with the objective of removing an LSP and cleaning up the paint...why not just use a light polish
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^^^:iagree:^^^

My favorite "light" Polish still remains, to this day: 3M IHG.

Bob
 
Well a finishing polish on a finishing pad will remove the sealants.

Something like Megs #205 or WGFG would be good examples.

Or you could use WG Paintwork Polish Enhancer, a paint cleaner.

One could also use an AIO like Megs D151 on a finishing pad.

Could also use a cleaner Sealant like Megs #20.

Or a cleaner wax like Megs #6.

All depends on what wants to do.
 
jankerson said:
Well a finishing polish on a finishing pad will remove the sealants.

Something like Megs #205 or WGFG would be good examples.

Or you could use WG Paintwork Polish Enhancer, a paint cleaner.

One could also use an AIO like Megs D151 on a finishing pad.

Could also use a cleaner Sealant like Megs #20.

Or a cleaner wax like Megs #6.

All depends on what wants to do.
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My real question is...if you are going to the effort...why not just do a light polish and improve the paint condition, while removing the LSP?

I just don't see the advantage of using a dedicated Paint Cleansing Product.
 
allenk4 said:
My real question is...if you are going to the effort...why not just do a light polish and improve the paint condition, while removing the LSP?

I just don't see the advantage of using a dedicated Paint Cleansing Product.
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If it doesn't need any improvement then a paint cleaner would be best in most cases because they don't abrade the paint.

But if you wanted to buff it out while removing the LSP etc then use a light finishing polish with either a polishing or finishing pad depending on what you want done.

Just depends on what is needed.

Use the least aggressive product to get it done.

Personally I use M205 on a finishing pad most of the time set on 4 or 5.

Like 2 or 3 quick section passes.....
 
The only benefit I can see to a true paint cleaner is to follow up with a coating. Some polishes have too much oil residue for a coating to bond.

Now, the cleansing lotion that the OP listed includes fillers, and would probably be best suited for a quick turn-and-burn. As in, "I'm selling the car. Let's put some lipstick on this pig and see what kind of price we can get for her." A total one stepper job with maybe a spray wax added if the car will be sold sometime within the month instead of within the week.

The term "polishes without abrasives" is usually a dead giveaway for heavy fillers. The key here is time. It typically takes far less time to fill than to actually polish out the flaws.
 
allenk4 said:
This one?

3M Imperial Hand Glaze is a gentle moisturizer, especially for beautifying freshly painted surfaces!
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^^^Yes. (3M Item# 05990)^^^

From It's MSDS:

SECTION 2: INGREDIENTS
Ingredient.......................................CAS#..............% by Wt
-WATER..........l.............................7732-18-5.............60-90

-MEDIUM ALIPHATIC SOLVENT
NAPHTHA......................................64742-88-7.............5-10

-HYDROTREATED HEAVY NAPHTHA
(PETROLEUM)................................64742-48-9.............5-10

-ALUMINUM SILICATE..................66402-68-4.............3-7

-WHITE MINERAL OIL
(PETROLEUM)..................................8042-47-5..............3-7

-GLYCERIN.........................................56-81-5.............1-5

-CASTOR OIL...................................8001-79-4..............1-5

This product has plenty of pretty good petroleum distillates for carrier/emulsion purposes;
as well as a pretty good grade/type of abrasives!! (So does M205
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By taking into consideration the "tools and pads" that are used to apply them...
I suppose it's possible for "abrasive-free" paint cleaners/pre-wax cleaners to be
able to camouflage blemishes in the paint: By "settling" into them.

But as to their ability to "round-over" their sharp edges...???


Bob
 
Do you guys tend to remove with ipa, ms, some other spray, or just slap on a lsp?
 
I never use IPA anymore. Ill use Eraser after a polishing session just to get rid of what I have left. After that it will be exclusively with DP paint Coat Prep Polish. Leaves NO residue left over, gets rid of whatever is on the surface and is LSP ready. This is ideal.
 
FUNX725 said:
What is it...that you are wanting to remove?


Bob
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My bad...
Polishing oils, such as after a regular polishing session or after using it to remove an old lsp like you guys were suggesting
 
A paint cleaner is good for when you are changing the LSP, but the car doesn't need polishing. Since most paint cleaners are non-abrasive, I'm not sure why you would use a polish if your not going after defects. It's your paint, they are your microns - use them as you wish.

Most paint cleaners also leave some type of glaze behind, allowing you to improve the appearance of the finish - all in 1 step.

Many paint cleaners are quite good and actually can remove some minor defects - just using the cut of the pad. The glaze component can also fill minor defects, and just leave the paint generally nice looking for a wax.

If your going to use a coating - paint cleaners aren't for you.
 
These days it's so easy to remove the lsp plus cleanse the paint.
As I said on another thread next time I need or want to remove my lsp I'm going with DP Prep Polish.
It's so easy to do so why not do it this way now?
Well I answered myself after reading up on the DP Prep Polish using a really fine pad.
It's the way to go IMO.
I want to get in the practice of using it when I want to apply a sealant or even a simple wax even after using my loved 205:dblthumb2:

For anyone who has used the DP can you please give us your thoughts on it?

I'll buy it soon and see for myself and give a full review on it:dblthumb2:
Maybe all on video.

Much appricated:)
 
Very well said:dblthumb2:



swanicyouth said:
A paint cleaner is good for when you are changing the LSP, but the car doesn't need polishing. Since most paint cleaners are non-abrasive, I'm not sure why you would use a polish if your not going after defects. It's your paint, they are your microns - use them as you wish.

Most paint cleaners also leave some type of glaze behind, allowing you to improve the appearance of the finish - all in 1 step.

Many paint cleaners are quite good and actually can remove some minor defects - just using the cut of the pad. The glaze component can also fill minor defects, and just leave the paint generally nice looking for a wax.

If your going to use a coating - paint cleaners aren't for you.
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Re: Is there a place for Paint Cleansing Products?

If a person is predisposed in believing that: "Sizzle Still Sells"...
Then, of course: Yes.

:bolt:

Bob
 
I think there is an occasional place for a paint cleaner.

In my case, I use Meguiars UP to polish up several of my cars. I'm not positive the polish doesn't have any oils or fillers that could keep the sealant I use from bonding properly. In order to make sure the surface is a clean as possible, a paint cleaner would be needed.

In my case I use Klasse AIO to do the cleaning before the SG goes down, but a host of other products could be used.
 
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