Is this bad?

[ltoman]

Black is usually easier to work on, but harder to make perfect. If that makes any sense.

Where as white is harder to work on, but easier to make perfect.

Black paint is usually softer, and easier to fix, but marring and swirl trails are more common on black. And thus require additional steps to make perfect. If you're careful, you could skip #2 usually if you use #3. You could go from #3 to #1 or even in some cases, skip #1. It all depends on your skill.

I don't personally use XMT BTW.



-Nick
5-Star Auto Detailing

Nick,
You don't like XMT? May I ask why? Ithink their products are great. Should be just rightfor the clear on a Honda...????
Luv,
Lauren T.

 

[FloridaNative]

This good to know because in Oklahoma the sun is a real pain in the a** when trying to detail a car. Mike...

The XMT line and the Poorboy's line are sun friendly as well.

 

[ltoman]

Remember if you use XMT finishing glaze, not to use a sealant, as there will be bonding issues. DP's finishing glaze is the only "glaze" I know you can add a sealant to without bonding issues.





-Nick :cheers:
5-Star Auto Detailing

This is too complicated. Why, may I ask?
Thank you ion advance,
Lauren Toman

 

[Strokin04]

I have the poorboys and like it so far except it does dust up a little but, it does do a good job making the paint look flawless. Mike...

 

[ltoman]

Did you mean DP's finishing polish or WG's finishing glaze? Not to split hairs, but we have a lot of newcomers to the site and I want to eliminate any confusion.


Yes the DP finishing polish can be followed by DP's sealant. WG's finishing glaze can also be followed with a sealant as well as VMG and RMG. But the XMT must be followed with a carnauba only.

Jennifer,
Could you explain the reasons behind that? It is confusing to me why it would not work just fine.
Thanks,
Blessings,
Lauren T.

 

[ltoman]

I have the poorboys and like it so far except it does dust up a little but, it does do a good job making the paint look flawless. Mike...

But it is pretty strong, no?

 

[Strokin04]

I would say it is strong and has good cutting ability, it really gets the job done and with minimum effort. Mike...

 

[FloridaNative]

Jennifer,
Could you explain the reasons behind that? It is confusing to me why it would not work just fine.
Thanks,
Blessings,
Lauren T.

Certainly. The problem lies in the term "glaze". It is one of those words that is thrown around often in detailing, but has no set parameters to define it. As a result "glazes" can be finishing polishes, chemical cleaners, or beautification products that strictly add oils and fillers. As a result, some glazes can be used with sealants while others cannot. WG, VMG and RMG are the more finishing polish/chemical cleaners and therefore can be used with a sealant. The DP is not a marketed as a glaze but rather as a finishing polish. The glazes like the XMT, Meguiar's #7 and the like are the beautification types that use oils and fillers to wet the paint and mask swirls, because of their oil content and carnauba content in the case of the XMT, a sealant cannot be used on top of it because the ingredients in these glazes will prohibit proper bonding of the sealant. On a side note, Meg's #7 is supposed to be compatible with Meg's sealants, but I have never tried them out together and so don't want to say so definitively. I hope this answers your question.

 

[FloridaNative]

For the record, the XMT and the Poorboy's polishes have the same cut and can both be used in full sun and heat.

 

[Strokin04]

After reading all the great reviews about XMT I will be trying that out next time I need more polish. Mike...

 

[ltoman]

Certainly. The problem lies in the term "glaze". It is one of those words that is thrown around often in detailing, but has no set parameters to define it. As a result "glazes" can be finishing polishes, chemical cleaners, or beautification products that strictly add oils and fillers. As a result, some glazes can be used with sealants while others cannot. WG, VMG and RMG are the more finishing polish/chemical cleaners and therefore can be used with a sealant. The DP is not a marketed as a glaze but rather as a finishing polish. The glazes like the XMT, Meguiar's #7 and the like are the beautification types that use oils and fillers to wet the paint and mask swirls, because of their oil content and carnauba content in the case of the XMT, a sealant cannot be used on top of it because the ingredients in these glazes will prohibit proper bonding of the sealant. On a side note, Meg's #7 is supposed to be compatible with Meg's sealants, but I have never tried them out together and so don't want to say so definitively. I hope this answers your question.

No, thank you - that answers my question, it is just a lot to take in at once.
How did you learn this? Do the bottles specify? What if I do inadvertently use a combo that is not meant to go together? What happens?
Also, may I ask, what do you feel is the best at filling in swirls? I like xmt carnuba, but it does not do it. Thoughts on this?
Thanks lots,
Lauren Toman

 

[FloridaNative]

No, thank you - that answers my question, it is just a lot to take in at once.
How did you learn this? Do the bottles specify? What if I do inadvertently use a combo that is not meant to go together? What happens?
Also, may I ask, what do you feel is the best at filling in swirls? I like xmt carnuba, but it does not do it. Thoughts on this?
Thanks lots,
Lauren Toman

Yes, the myriad of products and combinations can get overwhelming. You can usually decipher what type a glaze is by reading the description on the bottle and what it claims it will do for your paint. If it claims to remove oxidation you know it probably has chemical cleaners, if it claims to remove swirls it would have abrasives, if it claims to "make swirls less visible" then it is relying on oils and fillers to accomplish that task. I think almost all products these days come with an information phone number printed on the label and you can always call the manufacturer when in doubt. The worst thing that can happen if you use the incorrect glaze with a sealant is that it will make the sealant smear or will lessen the durability of it. You might want to give the VMG or the RMG a try on your swirls and see if it works better for you.

 

[ltoman]

Yes, the myriad of products and combinations can get overwhelming. You can usually decipher what type a glaze is by reading the description on the bottle and what it claims it will do for your paint. If it claims to remove oxidation you know it probably has chemical cleaners, if it claims to remove swirls it would have abrasives, if it claims to "make swirls less visible" then it is relying on oils and fillers to accomplish that task. I think almost all products these days come with an information phone number printed on the label and you can always call the manufacturer when in doubt. The worst thing that can happen if you use the incorrect glaze with a sealant is that it will make the sealant smear or will lessen the durability of it. You might want to give the VMG or the RMG a try on your swirls and see if it works better for you.

Jen,
I have the vmg. Do you recommend I try it with the rmg? That I would need to buy. ?
What is this I hear about making it into pink mg; is this beneficial? Why?
Thanks a lot for your explanations. (I am too lazy to call in most cases...generally speaking the products come from the East coast amd when I'd go to call, it would be past business hours! LOL!!)
Thanks for your advice - just please let me know about the moose glaze questin.
Luv,
Lauren

 

[FloridaNative]

Jen,
I have the vmg. Do you recommend I try it with the rmg? That I would need to buy. ?
What is this I hear about making it into pink mg; is this beneficial? Why?
Thanks a lot for your explanations. (I am too lazy to call in most cases...generally speaking the products come from the East coast amd when I'd go to call, it would be past business hours! LOL!!)
Thanks for your advice - just please let me know about the moose glaze questin.
Luv,
Lauren

I would give the vmg a try first since you have it already. It has fillers and abrasives. The rmg has more fillers than the vmg and some cleaning ability. This is the reason that people like to combine them to make pink moose glaze. It kind of gives them the best of both products. VMG and PB EX-P make a really nice combination.

 

[boardumb]

Would you recommend RMG with EX-P? I'm itching to lay down the RMG + Souveran combo on my copper red, but since I live in an apt I don't get the opportunity to detail as much as I would like.

 

[FloridaNative]

Would you recommend RMG with EX-P? I'm itching to lay down the RMG + Souveran combo on my copper red, but since I live in an apt I don't get the opportunity to detail as much as I would like.

RMG + Souveran are a match made in heaven. I'd stick with that one personally.

 

[boardumb]

I think I pretty much botched up my last statement Let me correct it...

I've done the Souveran + RMG combo once, and have been itching to lay it down again on my car. Would you recmmond RMG + EX-P + Souveran for a lil added protection?

 

[FloridaNative]

I think I pretty much botched up my last statement Let me correct it...

I've done the Souveran + RMG combo once, and have been itching to lay it down again on my car. Would you recmmond RMG + EX-P + Souveran for a lil added protection?

lol. No worries. Sure, give it a try. The EX-P is a great sealant.

 

[boardumb]

Just making sure, last time I asked someone recommended against RMG being under any sealant.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1659

Thanks!

 

[FloridaNative]

Just making sure, last time I asked someone recommended against RMG being under any sealant.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1659

Thanks!

RMG has more fillers and that is why there is the caution with it, however some sealants are more glaze friendly than others. WG and EX-P handle glazes better than some of the other sealants. If you are concerned, you can always try it out on a small test panel first before applying it to the entire vehicle.