Issues with CarPro Ech2o

[VISITOR]

^ too much work to use multiple products. last week while driving on the freeway some birds bombed the front of the windshield (looked like clear krazy glue) and by the time i got back home it had dried like cement (85+ degrees). i first used OID and that streaked and left a horrible mess, then i grabbed the ech20 (diluted 5:1) and sprayed and wiped and it cleaned up the OID and left the windshield clean with no streaks/problems. when they say it was formulated for use in extreme heat/sun they weren't kidding. i'm liking this product more and more that is use it...

 

[HAMBO]

^ too much work to use multiple products. last week while driving on the freeway some birds bombed the front of the windshield (looked like clear krazy glue) and by the time i got back home it had dried like cement (85+ degrees). i first used OID and that streaked and left a horrible mess, then i grabbed the ech20 (diluted 5:1) and sprayed and wiped and it cleaned up the OID and left the windshield clean with no streaks/problems. when they say it was formulated for use in extreme heat/sun they weren't kidding. i'm liking this product more and more that is use it...

Glad it worked well! And yes, in a pinch scenario like that, using two products wouldn't make a ton of sense if you don't have to.

Anyways, seems like people are getting inconsistent results with the product, even though lots of people seem to be using similar dilution ratios and application techniques. Who knows why... Personally, I'm going to give the Ultima WW and QD combo a try and see if I like it better.

 

[Eldorado2k]

^ too much work to use multiple products.

I see it a different way... While I'm certainly not the type who needs 10-12 towels to perform a waterless wash [all I need is 2-3 tops] I make up for it by being very liberal with the spraying.

This is how much I have left in a 32oz. bottle after just 1 full size sedan.

Using it @10:1 is no sweat, but when you factor in that every 1 of these bottles also gets 2oz. of Reload it begins to get rather pricey to simply perform a waterless wash.

That's why I'm thinking why not let Uber handle the grunt work [because it's both effective and economical], and then let Ech2o/Reload stay strictly on shine duty.

 

[WillSports3]

I think once you mix reload into it, it's ore of a quick boost and detail spray versus just the ww ratio which is a lot more economical.

 

[Legumes]

I see it a different way... While I'm certainly not the type who needs 10-12 towels to perform a waterless wash [all I need is 2-3 tops] I make up for it by being very liberal with the spraying.

This is how much I have left in a 32oz. bottle after just 1 full size sedan.

I use the same amount or even a little more when doing a WW. My WW are really a combo of rinseless and waterless though, I soak the towels at rinseless wash ratio before using them.

 

[Cleankat]

I've wanted to like their products but every one I've tried has been a let down. Wolfgang uber for me exclusively it's fantastic stuff.

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[bodidly]

Be careful with what you write Clenkat. A lot of people visit this iconic site for no nonsense information of products and practices. Whilst you have not stated which CarPro products have left you dissatisfied. Everyone who uses CarPro products day in day out would wholeheartedly disagree. This industry would not be where it is today without companies such as CarPro pushing technology ahead to places detailers had never dreamed of.

 

[TTQ B4U]

1) I wouldn't consider waterless washing a particularly paint-friendly way to clean your car in general. So when for whatever reason I'm using WW, I like to minimize how many times I have to go over the paint. Ech2o instructions (depending exactly whose you follow) imply having to go over each panel a minimum of two times with the product, and then likely a final buff (so three times). Why would you want to do that? It's just touching the car more often than necessary, knowing it didn't start particularly clean underneath.

you'll find lots of opinions on which method is better or safer, but IMO rinseless is no-less safe and in many cases is likely safer, but that's just my opinion. My Audi is pure black, coated but will still show any imperfections and thus far she's remained free from any wash related damage and I do about 90% rinseless.

That said, I don't use ECH20 as a rinseless wash. I use it as a detail spray mixed with Reload and find it's the best I've ever used. I call it "blue juice" and mix up a bottle for every customer that gets a coated job done. 1:20 mix, then I pour about 28oz into a 32oz bottle, add in 2oz of Reload and viola! Spray, wipe, buff and done.

I know the above doesn't address your direct questions, but then I'm a Wolfgang Uber Waterless/Rinseless wash user.

 

[Cleankat]

Be careful with what you write Clenkat. A lot of people visit this iconic site for no nonsense information of products and practices. Whilst you have not stated which CarPro products have left you dissatisfied. Everyone who uses CarPro products day in day out would wholeheartedly disagree. This industry would not be where it is today without companies such as CarPro pushing technology ahead to places detailers had never dreamed of.

So there's no room for dissenting opinions? Not a fan, and when I complained about their products I was basically told to kick rocks because I didn't purchase it directly through them. I'll stick with tried and true but thanks for your "warning".

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[RippyD]

Can I suggest to you all to let it haze for a few moments? I've used 2 ounces to 20 ounce spray bottle as well as 4 ounces to 20 ounce spray bottle. I'm going to assume you're all using distilled water. After you dry it, wait a few minutes and go over it again with a separate clean mf towel. Watch the streaks disappear easily. It's the solvents in there that hold the sio2 that causes this. So let the product haze a bit after drying and then go over it again I don't have this problem in winter time so far or right in the sun in high humidity by employing this method.

That's what I have found as well. I get a haze or some streaks. I go back with my softest MF a few minutes after applying and buff. It all comes off and leaves that shine we all like. I find it's almost like a wax product that gets better with some buffing.

Interesting, it's also seems to highlight issues. I had some coating high spots I hadn't noticed before. Ech2O + Reload made them much more obvious. (FYI, Cquartz UK comes off with a finishing polish by hand. It took a little time, but came without any issues using Ultimate Polish.)

 

[Avi@CarPro]

So there's no room for dissenting opinions? Not a fan, and when I complained about their products I was basically told to kick rocks because I didn't purchase it directly through them. I'll stick with tried and true but thanks for your "warning".

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If you have or had any complain you can always contact me directly, we take very very seriously our customer service! and Carpro USA has one of the best customers service in the USA detailing market.
beside them, im here and you can complain to me for any problem you have / had.

 

[HAMBO]

If you have or had any complain you can always contact me directly, we take very very seriously our customer service! and Carpro USA has one of the best customers service in the USA detailing market.
beside them, im here and you can complain to me for any problem you have / had.

Thanks Avi. Is the streaking / hazing I referenced in my original post something you've come across / heard from others?

 

[Determined1978]

I have been using CarPro Ech2o at a dilution ration of 1:18 (1 part Carppro to 18 parts distilled water) on my black Ford Ranger and haven't seen any streaking as such. There would be a very light residual haze that would eventually disappear on its own. This would occur when I wash the van in the evening time where the temp is around 24-25 degree Celsius.

Looking forward to Avi's reply as I just started using CarPro's products (Ech2o & PERL) and have been really satisfied with their performance thus far.

cheers!

 

[Saqs]

Been lurking for a bit here but ive been using Ech20 for a few weeks and found that you really cant prevent the hazing as its meant to do that. The necessary buff after leaves a helluva shine tho.

I use a combo waterless/rinseless method as well with 10:1 in a 32oz sprayer to presoak and 3oz to 3 gallons with soaked media. Presoak then wipe down the entire car with soaked towels then come back with a dry towel
to buff the haze. I keep the 3 gallon solution covered and it lasts a good while. Might be overkill but seems to work very well.

 

[Avi@CarPro]

Thanks Avi. Is the streaking / hazing I referenced in my original post something you've come across / heard from others?

Its not exactly streaking , since you can wipe it off eventually, all it need is to wait a little more to dry and wipe off with another towel.
the dilution ratio can make such hazing , so best to do is minimum 1:10~1:15 ratio for waterless wash. if its dark or black colored car.

 

[RippyD]

Some people referenced the cost in this thread. For waterless:

Ech20 waterless is $2.80 - $7.00 per gallon (25:1 - 10:1)
Ech20 with 10% Reload is $6.20 - $15.50 per gallon
Uber is $1.67 per gallon at the recommended 48:1 dilution

For waterless Uber is clearly more economical. Like others, I use Ech20 + Reload more as an occasional QD rather than my standard waterless. Uber is great, but I don't know how to tell which gloss products play nicely with each other across different brands. For this reason I use McKee's N-914 between Echo2O washes.

N-914 is $0.34 per gallon at the recommended 128:1 for waterless

(For all the above I'm assuming the largest size available from AG, standard pricing, and no shipping.)

 

[Cleankat]

Carpro is extremely overrated in my opinion. I've tried several of their products and to be honest it's a toss up if I'd rather use those or some turtle wax from Walmart. Not joking either.

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[The Guz]

Carpro is extremely overrated in my opinion. I've tried several of their products and to be honest it's a toss up if I'd rather use those or some turtle wax from Walmart. Not joking either.

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Such as which products? Just curious.

 

[SonOfOC]

Carpro is extremely overrated in my opinion. I've tried several of their products and to be honest it's a toss up if I'd rather use those or some turtle wax from Walmart. Not joking either.

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I can tell you that the majority of professionals and detailing enthusiast will disagree with you. Carpro is absolutely one of the better brands in the industry. What products have you used from Carpro and what was your disappointment with each?

 

[Rsurfer]

Carpro is extremely overrated in my opinion. I've tried several of their products and to be honest it's a toss up if I'd rather use those or some turtle wax from Walmart. Not joking either.

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I can tell you that the majority of professionals and detailing enthusiast will disagree with you. Carpro is absolutely one of the better brands in the industry. What products have you used from Carpro and what was your disappointment with each?

Turtle Wax from Walmart better than Car Pro. Since Car Pro does not make or sell a paste wax, what are you comparing it with?