I've manage to put swirls in by machine.

ZachGrzelak

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So I bought the highly recommended Porter Cable 7424 XP along with the proper foam pads and a variety of different products from different companies. I started by washing my car ( two bucket method straight lines ) followed by a clay bar. I bought some meguiars heavy cut compound and put an X on my 5.5in hex foam pad. I begin working in 2x2 foot sections across my hood and when everything is all wiped clean I notice holograms and swirls. I figured Wolfgang total swirl remove 3.0 will clean that up, but I was wrong. So I go back online buying everything from meguiars to wolfgang products and I would repeat the same process. To this day I cannot remove the swirls and holograms I put in my black hood. I thought I would clean up my paint, but instead I've managed to make it look worst. I've watched every YouTube detailing video twice and still after a year of owning my buffer I can't make it work. I'm never buying meguiars product or anything labeled "heavy cut" again.
 
First of all, what kind of car is this? Meg's #4 heavy cut is kind of an old-school compound, something you would really only use on trashed paint. Have you tried some Meg's 105 or Ultimate Compound? If you have sworn off Meg's what about Menzerna FG400 or Wolfgang Uber Compound?

Where are you located? Maybe there is a forum member local to you who could help out.
 
Clay may not remove everything. Iron and tar can be embedded in the clearcoat and will not be removed by clay sometimes. A chemical cleaner such as iron x, tar x, or trix will remove these.

Are you working your products in well? 6-8 section passes? Firm pressure is key also. Not so hard that the pad stops spinning but firm enough that you're activating the abrasives.

There are many variables that could be hindering your results. Pictures of these defects would be of great help. It's possible that you've removed some shallow defects that reveal the deeper ones you haven't noticed due to all of the shallow ones.

It's best to get some responses also before saying you will "never buy meguiar's products again". Meguiar's makes some of the best professional and consumer products out there today and they yield great results for many people, myself included.
 
First try Meguiar's Ultimate Compound, works well.
Want the best IMO, get you a bottle of Wolfgang Uber Compound, now that there will give you amazing results
 
You are going to need a very fine finishing polish, polishing pad, and a set of the cleanest, softest towels you can find.

Pics will really help!

Try

Menzerna SF4500, black wax pad, plush gold towels. This will help you in the right direction.

Sounds like soft paint!
 
Another product I love is the Optimum Fine Polish along with a black finishing pad.
 
I would bet this is technique related. I was in this exact situation years ago.

First, you need to figure out for sure if the defects are from you polishing the paint (polish leaving marring) or if the defects are there from previous scratches - and they are not being removed.

This sounds simple, but with a myriad of pads and polishes it may not be immediately evident.

So, you may want to start with a test spot, figure out if you are removing the defects and if so, follow up with a less aggressive combo if needed.
 
read the articles posted above.

test spots should be done and always start with the least aggressive combination and work your way up from there.
 
I'm positive that I have the correct buffing arm speed and pressure. I did mark a black line on my backing plate. I'm always monitoring the speed and adjusting pressure. I do horizontal and vertical passes and I overlap by 50%. I am positive that the marring appeared after I ran the pc through it. The heavy cut compound felt like sand so I was concerned about using it, but after watching other videos it seemed like it worked. Unfortunately the heavy cut compound only damaged my car more. Is that a product designed more for high speed wheels?
 
I just placed an order for Menzerna super intensive polish. Will that do the trick or will I need a compound? or even a more powerful machine?
 
So Zach, you're saying you've owned your buffer for a YEAR and not figured out how to get the most out of your paint yet? :eek:

That doesn't sound like it's a Meguiar's problem. Sound's like a technique problem.

Really need to know what vehicle that paint is on. No big secret that Porsche black, and Subaru paints are stupidly soft.

The first thing however is "use the least aggressive method" AND "test spot"... can't say that strongly enough!!!!!!! You mentioned the hex logic pad, but was that the only one you used? What pads did you try first? Which pads do you have? Have you been able to remove all your swirls? That's what you'll need to figure out first. Find the method, the pad, the product, the amount of section passes that work. Use THAT to get rid of all the swirls. NOW.... you've got all the swirls removed.

But did that leave you with micromarring / hazing? Could you have used a less aggressive method for removing the swirls? Not saying you can, but on a black car your chances of ending up with micromarring is greater than any other color. (Or at least seeing the micromarring that may be hidden by a light colored paint.)

You may need to tape off your hood into a good 6 sections. Then write down what you are doing to each section. You may use one compound on 2 sections, another on 2 more, and another on 2 more. Change from say a orange pad on one to a white pad on another. Use medium arm pressure and speed on one, maybe medium-hard pressure (but the same speed on the other) but use say machine speed 4.5 on one section and 5.5 on the other. Do no more than 4 or 5 section passes on ALL sections. The reason I say this is you need to figure out what your technique needs to be.

Pads! Get more pads!!! Everything from orange all the way to red. Some paint responds fantastically well to an orange pad (and doesn't micromarr like crazy) wile others want a white pad, or even a black pad. All using the same compound!

I'm not saying you'll be able to compound all the swirls out without micromarring, (probably not with black paint). But you NEED to figure out what you can do, what the least aggressive method is, that gets the results you can live with.

THEN.... and ONLY THEN.... you move to the polishing stage.

Meguiar's has excellent products, although many of the newer ones are SMAT based (which tend to be a bit harder to finish down well on soft black paint). They are GREAT for removing swirls and RIDS, but you'll maybe need to switch to Menzerna 2500 or 4000 to finish with. Then again, you said you have WG TSR 3.0. That's a medium polish, where you may need WG Uber 3.0 to start with a bit more cut. And of course after TSR you'd step up to WG Finishing Glaze 3.0, which despite saying it's a "glaze" is actually a polish. :rolleyes: I can't speak to all of them as I don't have them all. I do know that WG Uber 3.0 has quickly become a favorite for a lot of guys out there.

Bottom line is don't throw in the towel just yet. And speaking of towels.... make sure you are using at least a good 360/365 gsm for wiping down your work. You can find 10 packs of the 365's at Microfiber Tech for pennies compared to what some sites charge for "gold plush" towels, (and they are the same thing).

Work out that technique, write it down, change the speed, or the arm pressure, or the pad. Heck you might use all 6 sections with the same product, just different technique on each one. You'll be surprised at just how little, how BIG a difference it'll make. :xyxthumbs:
 
Any heavy cut compound can leave marring (not swirls per se). You need to follow it up with a finishing polish.

However, I'd start with a test spot using a polish (not compound) on a polishing pad to diagnose exactly what is going on, instead of buying more heavy cut compounds.

If your instilling defects from polishing (and removing the original defects at the same time), this could be a sign you are going too aggressive or your paint is a bit soft.

Either way, you only have so much paint on the car, so if you have instilled defects from the buffing process, you want to remove them with a less aggressive approach.

I can almost bet the farm you do not need another machine to buff that car out perfectly.
 
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