jeweling vs burnishing

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What is the difference between jeweling the paint and burnishing the paint? Is it the same thing just a different name? What product / pad is used for this step? Thanks for the helpFeed back please
 
I used the term jeweling for several years after seeing my wifes diamond ring polished at a jeweler. They do a final polishing that really amps the finish and found a similar thing existed in car care when using a final polish and finishing pad after the paint already looks great. I believe burnishing is just another term to say the same thing and really is bringing the gloss level and reflectivness of paint up an additional notch with high speed final or finish polishing.
 
They are the samething, you use the blue pad with a finishing polish for your burnishing.
 
If I have 4in green pads, a 6.5 inch white, orange, and 2 6.5 inch black pads. I have Pinnacle XMT #1 finishing polish. Should I use white pad with XMT#1 or black with XMT#1 as my last step/burnish?
 
Use the black with XMT1 for final polish. A 5.5" pad would work much better. The pc seems to bog down with the larger 6.5" pads.
 
Burnishing and jeweling are synonyms when it comes to automotive paint polishing.

P.S. You will see some high visibility detailers on big forums, like Autopia, try to incorrectly claim the credit for introduction of these two terms in recent time. However, at least one of them has been around for decades and quick search shows the other has been used around for at least 6 years in automotive industry, and in other industries longer than that.
 
ZoranC said:
Burnishing and jeweling are synonyms when it comes to automotive paint polishing.

P.S. You will see some high visibility detailers on big forums, like Autopia, try to incorrectly claim the credit for introduction of these two terms in recent time. However, at least one of them has been around for decades and quick search shows the other has been used around for at least 6 years in automotive industry, and in other industries longer than that.
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Well, one of those "high visibility detailers" does not take credit for the terms and states that they have been around for a while. He acknowledges the fact that others have used the terms for paint polishing before. He did start using it to describe paint polishing (in his write ups) and therefore "introduced" them to the detailing forums, but still doesn't try to take credit for "inventing or creating" them. Unlike some others that I know.
 
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blk45 said:
Well, one of those "high visibility detailers" does not take credit for the terms and states that they have been around for a while. He acknowledges the fact that others have used the terms for paint polishing before. He did start using it to describe paint polishing (in his write ups) and therefore "introduced" them to the detailing forums, but still doesn't try to take credit for "inventing or creating" them. Unlike some others that I know.
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Please re-read my post and noticed I too used word "introduction" and not "inventing or creating".

After that please search archives of those same detailing forums that have been recently "introduced to these terms" and you will find these terms have been used by _many others_ in those _same_ forums _at least several years_ before recent claims of "introduction".

Thus claim of introduction of the terms to the detailing forums is not valid, is it?
 
For jeweling, what is the best technique in terms of pressure, arm speed, pc speed? For example: Light pressure, slow arm speed, speed 5, (black pad or blue pad)?
 
I use very light pressure, slow arm speed and high pad speed.
 
ZoranC said:
Please re-read my post and noticed I too used word "introduction" and not "inventing or creating".

After that please search archives of those same detailing forums that have been recently "introduced to these terms" and you will find these terms have been used by _many others_ in those _same_ forums _at least several years_ before recent claims of "introduction".

Thus claim of introduction of the terms to the detailing forums is not valid, is it?
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I misspoke. Introduction was never claimed.

It sounded good, so on my click and brags I started using the term "jewelling" to describe the step after finishing (which again was done with mechanical pads at the time on this forum and others). Obviously I am not the first one to use the term jewelling (body shop used it in the 1950's) and I am sure some other detailers have used it before, but until I started posting on about it in my click and brags, nobody was using it with any regularity.
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That is what was said.
 
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That is what was said.
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Problem with quoting, especially with quoting very small part of big post/thread that is somewhere else, is that things get uneven focus, spotlight can be brought to what one wants seen and everything else that is not wanted to be seen gets pushed into background darkness.

Nature of human interaction / communication requires that things are put in context of whole presentation in order to interpret them correctly as that is exactly how message was sent.

Thus I suggest people should be forming their own opinion on what was exactly _communicated_ by reading referrenced post in entirety at it's original source, not based on short excerpts somewhere else.

Especially becuase this too was said:

"As far as the term burnish, Rydawg and I kind of came up this that. We had both started calling it 'jewelling' long before I posted about it and when nobody on the forum used that term. When I started using it, I noticed it popping up more and more, and people finishing with non-mechanical pads more and more. Everybody called it jewelling, which we thought was a riot. So I told Ryan and I am going switch gears and start calling it burnishing, to see if this term would catch on too. So I did, and sure enough it started creeping it's ways in."
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Notice the words "when nobody on the forum used that term"? _That_ term has been used on _that_ forum for years prior to that by _others_. Simple search shows that easily. Term "burnishing" has long history in Europe. I have not seen OP starting to use that term until I saw him start visiting European forums. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

Never mind the fact that how whole message was sent out, the attitude exuding from it, talks as if there is some trendsetting to claim credit for, while facts are different (please see above) and show how preposterous that is.

I think this is where I will close my case as I don't want thread hijacked into non-productive discussion, there is enough info by now for those that are interested to educate themselves with actual facts.
 
This post has gone off topic and seems amiss , why are we challenging each other ?? Its a phrase most of us have used and some like myself have offered when I started using it and why for the posters understanding. I dont believe anyone wants credit for the term and we need to focus more on the topics versus the individuals posting in my opinion. If anyone helped move the term forward or made it more mainstream currently that a thumb to them, but it wont change the world in some knowing the term has/will be used for years.

Can anyone add something to burnishing versus jeweling or should this post just be closed ???
 
Finishing - by using a lightly abrasive pad and a finishing polish, helps refine the paint, removing any trace damage from the polishing stage.

Burnishing - an optional step after finishing, done with a non-abrasive ultra soft pad and an ultra fine finishing polish. For the removal of any microscopic pad abrasion, which also reduces the chance of holograms and may increase the gloss of the paint further
Surface Inspection - always carry out an isopropyl alcohol (IPA) wipe down after compounding or polishing to ensure a blemish free paint surface and to ensure there
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
This post has gone off topic and seems amiss , why are we challenging each other ?? Its a phrase most of us have used and some like myself have offered when I started using it and why for the posters understanding. I dont believe anyone wants credit for the term and we need to focus more on the topics versus the individuals posting in my opinion. If anyone helped move the term forward or made it more mainstream currently that a thumb to them, but it wont change the world in some knowing the term has/will be used for years.

Can anyone add something to burnishing versus jeweling or should this post just be closed ???
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killrwheels, OP's question was a) on definition of the terms, b) how to do to do it. There have been contributions on how to do it, and this was contribution on discussion about definition (you might be missing parts of it as you might not have followed discussion on that on other forum in question).

If you feel that discussion on definition (history/events) is not contributing to general knowledge even though OP asked a bit about it and is thus worthless AFAIC please feel free to do what you deem appropriate.
 
Zoran Cvijetic, I wish you would seriously stop the immature and childish attacks (no matter how noble you attempt to spin them). You have been banned for this behavior before and I believe you were warned on this forum for this.

Scott has used this term before I did as have others. As I clearly stated, I did not invent the term. Also I did not know that others used it I have never seen it used on the UK boards as well.

What I did was provide an explanation of why I started using it (before I had ever come to autogeekonline fwiw) and the fact that Scott was using it before me for basically the same process shows that great minds think alike.

Zoran Cvijetic it also shows that you constantly look for a reason to talk bad on me but I truely believe that shows more on you (and my constant ownage of you in defending myself) then it does on me. I would ask the moderators to look previously at Zoran's actions towards me on this forum and others...
 
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Zoran Cvijetic, I wish you would seriously stop the immature and childish attacks (no matter how noble you attempt to spin them). You have been banned for this behavior before and I believe you were warned on this forum for this.

Scott has used this term before I did as have others. As I clearly stated, I did not invent the term. Also I did not know that others used it I have never seen it used on the UK boards as well.

What I did was provide an explanation of why I started using it (before I had ever come to autogeekonline fwiw) and the fact that Scott was using it before me for basically the same process shows that great minds think alike.

Zoran Cvijetic it also shows that you constantly look for a reason to talk bad on me but I truely believe that shows more on you (and my constant ownage of you in defending myself) then it does on me. I would ask the moderators to look previously at Zoran's actions towards me on this forum and others...
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Todd Helme, I am sorry that I will have to disappoint you by not giving you a chance to turn this into a circus like you do elsewhere.

Also, please do not try to paint in public a picture of a prosecuted saint as truth is quite the opposite, because:

a) I was not part of any flame wars you were creating on Autopia (I am not even a member there),

b) I was nowhere near flame war between you and Mike Phillips on Meguiar's Online that resulted in your banning there, it was all your own work,

c) I am not the one that without any reason sends out psychotic/harassing PMs and e-mails to persons that he does not like, you are, and not just to me but to others too (like to Tim Lingor, System One guys), whether here, elsewere, on YouTube, etc, so it is you going around harassing others, not the opposite.

Have a nice night!
 
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ZoranC said:
Todd Helme, I am sorry that I will have to disappoint you by not giving you a chance to turn this into a circus like you do elsewhere.

Also, please do not try to paint in public a picture of a prosecuted saint as truth is quite the opposite, because:

a) I was not part of any flame wars you were creating on Autopia (I am not even a member there),

b) I was nowhere near flame war between you and Mike Phillips on Meguiar's Online that resulted in your banning there, it was all your own work,

c) I am not the one that without any reason sends out psychotic/harassing PMs and e-mails to persons that he does not like, you are, and not just to me but to others too (like to Tim Lingor), so it is you going around harassing others, not the opposite.

Have a nice night!
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Any chance you have to put me down you do...

A) You are not a member because you were banned there

B) Mike Phillips has asked if I would like to go back to MOL, there is more then you know

C) Stop the slander, I have a copy of the email that I sent you explaing how Menzerna SIP/106ff was around before Cermaclear so it couldn't have been made specifically for it.

Once again I have to defend myself against your attacks Zoran Cvijetic

I supposed your ABC attack has nothing to do with the thread turning into a circus (if you take it that direction, I will only defend myself from you like always).
 
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