jo pa....fired!

:/ I haven't followed it much. But basically what he did wrong was report a possible crime to the school and not the police? I understand the gravity of the crime but at least he reported it, I don't see why he should be fired? But then again, I don't know a whole lot about it.
 
I think what made it difficult for people to fathom was the fact that even after two incidents of alleged child abuse the person in question was allowed to maintain access to the Penn State facility. I think he had an office there up to the time he was arrested. This is a difficult and emotional issue that is sad for a variety of reasons, the most important of which is the fact that it seems that the children's needs were neglected (or appeared to be neglected). I feel bad for them and for Joe Paterno, who from all accounts is a good man who always tried to do the right thing. That being said, I think that the board of trustees at Penn State had little choice but to take the direction that they did concerning this terrible situation.
 
Everyone involved in covering up the rape of children should be arrested and then fried. I don't understand all these people defending Joe...he might as well have done it himself by helping to cover it up...a bunch of disgusting human beings at Penn State....
 
Im with Flannigan here.

There is now way Joe Pa should have been allowed to finish this season.

Keeping Joe and anything other involved members on any type of staff involved in the University would show support of their decisions. Their decisions were to cover up and hide rape of children, for years.

I would never support someone who covers that up, and "telling your boss" is by no means taking care of this issue. It disgusts me and I am so glad I don't have any ties to that University.
 
Flannigan said:
Everyone involved in covering up the rape of children should be arrested and then fried. I don't understand all these people defending Joe...he might as well have done it himself by helping to cover it up...a bunch of disgusting human beings at Penn State....
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In the coaching and education field, it is our responsibility to report ANY sign of ANYTHING even remotely associated with child abuse of any kind. So yes, I knew his days were numbered when I first heard about this. As a PSU alum, I was sad about this on many levels for all involved. Being in education, and a coach, and most of all, a father, there is no way I would have let this go if it wasn't dealt with properly.

What I don't get is the "cover-up" details. I may have just missed the reports on that. Were there details released showing that PAterno went this far? As far as I knew, he reported it to his AD and then didn't take it further when Sandusky wasn't dealt with by the authorities? That wasn't his job as a coach, but I guess it certainly was as a human being.
 
I'm not clear on what exactly happened with that either. I guess we'll know the particulars as this plays out. What to me was the thing that is the deciding factor to the situation up to now was the fact that Sandusky was allowed to remain on the scene after he was caught in a shower nude with a ten year old at the Penn State facility. Any loyalty or friendship developed over the years went out the window as far as I was concerned if I worked with him. He not only allegedly raped a ten year old, but disrespected Paterno, his lifetime of achievements, and Penn State by his acts. Why he was not turned over to the police is something I want to know, because the coverup, or whatever it was, is what tarnishes Joe Paterno's reputation and makes him complicit in this scandal.
 
It has all played out. There are dozens of pages of grand jury testimony if you are interested in losing your lunch. There is no grey area here, at least in my eyes...
 
My understanding was that the guy who witnessed one of the incidents went to Joe and said he was going to contact the police, but Joe told him to tell the athletic director instead.

Yeah, kinda crosses the line in a big way.


The only sad part is that Joe threw his reputation and legacy down the drain. He got what was coming to him.
 
Pretty much Joe knew about the rapings and didnt try to contact police. Even worse, the man who was abusing these children was seen on the sidelines with kids during games and even brought kids home and Joe didnt do anything to stop it. As Flannigan said, there all disgusting human beings. Everything was swept under the rug to protect the football program.
 
Why isn't anyone condemming the 22 year old that told Paterno and not the police? I'm not making excuses for Paterno but the ACTUAL WITNESS of those events should have gone to the police,not Paterno. Paterno went to the AD and he's being crusified so why give the witness a free ride?
 
Furthermore why is McGreary, the then 22YO graduate assistant, who is now a full fledged coach at PSU still allowed to coach there? Is it because as a graduate assistant (basically an intern) he is not accountable? Also just for the facts, when this incident occurred Sandusky was no longer employed by PSU but allowed to have programs and children there to coach, afterwards he was told he had to go else where with his "student atheletes" basically allowing the abuse to continue but with impunity to PSU. It's digusting to think he did this to children but even more morally repulsive is the fact he did this under the guise of a program to help disadvantaged and at risk children. They should just put the man in prision and let the prison community deal out his punishment.
 
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Flannigan said:
Everyone involved in covering up the rape of children should be arrested and then fried. I don't understand all these people defending Joe...he might as well have done it himself by helping to cover it up...a bunch of disgusting human beings at Penn State....
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I agree with you 100%
 
Flannigan said:
Everyone involved in covering up the rape of children should be arrested and then fried. I don't understand all these people defending Joe...he might as well have done it himself by helping to cover it up...a bunch of disgusting human beings at Penn State....
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+1 I'm not sure what is more disgusting. What happened to those children, or how the coaching staff, university administrators and PSU students/alumni/fans have handled this.
 
They waited until He had the most wins in his division to reveal the truth about this perverted program. The whole school board of directors stink. Now the news is reporting a DA that knew about the situation disappeared in 2005(I think that's right). This sounds like the mob. Is this insane or what?

Derrick
 
LuxuryMobile said:
Im with Flannigan here.

There is now way Joe Pa should have been allowed to finish this season.

Keeping Joe and anything other involved members on any type of staff involved in the University would show support of their decisions. Their decisions were to cover up and hide rape of children, for years.

I would never support someone who covers that up, and "telling your boss" is by no means taking care of this issue. It disgusts me and I am so glad I don't have any ties to that University.
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Boy there are a lot of misconceptions out there because the incident involved children.

1. How can there be a cover-up when no one has been convicted of a crime? You must have a crime to have a cover-up.
2. Joe Paterno did not witness any crime. That's important to understand and remember, Joe at no time saw any improper behavior between the former coach and a child .
3. A graduate student after witnessing improper behavior between an adult and a child reported the incident to Joe Paterno. At the time the student told Joe about the crime the incident was not in progress. The only information Joe had would be considered hearsay evidence in court.
4. Why didn't the witness to the crime call the police? And why is no one upset about that? This will be important later on.
5. The incident took place in 2002, the coach in question retired from Penn State in 1999.
6. Joe received information from a student about a Penn State retiree, the man no longer worked for Joe, not witnessing the crime himself, he reported it immediately to the Athletic Director for investigation. As far as Joe was concerned the incident was out of his hands and he had followed proper University procedure.
7. Realize that if Joe had reported the "crime" to the police, as everyone is saying he should have they would not have had jurisdiction unless called in by the campus police. Their first question would have been did you notify the Campus Police? If the report had turned out to be false, Joe would have been open to a False reporting charge and a lawsuit from the coach in question since Joe never witnessed a crime.
8. The graduate student only told Joe that he witnessed "improper activity" between the former coach and a young boy, it was not until this year 2011 in the Grand Jury Room that Joe found out the improper activity was sodomy.
9. Now here is the kicker in the whole incident, the assistant coach who is taking over the team from Joe Paterno is same grad student who witnessed the incident and did not call the police. Again, why is no one down on him?

Joe did nothing wrong. This is another example of journalists with an agenda destroying the reputation of a man that did a lot of good. Ask yourself, would you report a crime you did not witness on the word of someone else, knowing that if it was not true you would be open to criminal charges and a lawsuit?
 
theamcguy said:
Ask yourself, would you report a crime you did not witness on the word of someone else, knowing that if it was not true you would be open to criminal charges and a lawsuit?
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No.

However, I would advise the person who told me they witnessed it to go to the police/authorities, as opposed to telling someone who would have no power to do anything about it.
 
Shiny Lil Detlr said:
No.

However, I would advise the person who told me they witnessed it to go to the police/authorities, as opposed to telling someone who would have no power to do anything about it.
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Do you know for a fact he didn't tell him to go to the police or are you just assuming?

Fact, Joe is not under investigation, has not and will not be charged with a crime. Even by the admission of the Chief of the Pennsylvania State Police "Joe Paterno" broke no laws.

Established policy in any large organization is to report incidents up the chain. Joe did. Remember Campus Police had jurisdiction until they called for help, the Athletic Director with direct access to the University President would be the person to tell in order to get the campus Police to investigate a University retiree.
 
Seriously AMCGUY? I don't have time to find it again but there was one tid bit that stated he was required by law to inform authorities of wrong doings involving children. As far as the crime the Grand Jury indicted Sandusky on 8 counts, that's when the Shiznit hit the fan for JoePa. He's not the only one but he is repsonsible for the actions of those under his jurisdiction and he allowed Sandusky to use PSU facilities when not an employee for the purpose of his foundation, He goes down just like the those above him. PSU simply made a move to distance themselves once the lawsuits start.
I will give you it sucks for him and he really seems like a stand up guy, have frineds that live in the state college area and they feel he's up for sainthood but damn the whole thing stinks.
I still say MrCreary should bare the brunt as well as he should have escalated the issue/lack of response but supposedly he was afraid of Joe's sphere of influence on his career, paraphrased quote I read yesterday.
 
theamcguy said:
Boy there are a lot of misconceptions out there because the incident involved children.

1. How can there be a cover-up when no one has been convicted of a crime? You must have a crime to have a cover-up.
2. Joe Paterno did not witness any crime. That's important to understand and remember, Joe at no time saw any improper behavior between the former coach and a child .
3. A graduate student after witnessing improper behavior between an adult and a child reported the incident to Joe Paterno. At the time the student told Joe about the crime the incident was not in progress. The only information Joe had would be considered hearsay evidence in court.
4. Why didn't the witness to the crime call the police? And why is no one upset about that? This will be important later on.
5. The incident took place in 2002, the coach in question retired from Penn State in 1999.
6. Joe received information from a student about a Penn State retiree, the man no longer worked for Joe, not witnessing the crime himself, he reported it immediately to the Athletic Director for investigation. As far as Joe was concerned the incident was out of his hands and he had followed proper University procedure.
7. Realize that if Joe had reported the "crime" to the police, as everyone is saying he should have they would not have had jurisdiction unless called in by the campus police. Their first question would have been did you notify the Campus Police? If the report had turned out to be false, Joe would have been open to a False reporting charge and a lawsuit from the coach in question since Joe never witnessed a crime.
8. The graduate student only told Joe that he witnessed "improper activity" between the former coach and a young boy, it was not until this year 2011 in the Grand Jury Room that Joe found out the improper activity was sodomy.
9. Now here is the kicker in the whole incident, the assistant coach who is taking over the team from Joe Paterno is same grad student who witnessed the incident and did not call the police. Again, why is no one down on him?

Joe did nothing wrong. This is another example of journalists with an agenda destroying the reputation of a man that did a lot of good. Ask yourself, would you report a crime you did not witness on the word of someone else, knowing that if it was not true you would be open to criminal charges and a lawsuit?
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People defending Joe are just as bad as Joe. If the CHILD RAPIST stole something thats one thing, when it gets to RAPING A CHILD any accusation should be dealt with severely. If someone told me my best friend (or former co-worker in this case) was seen RAPING A CHILD I would surly go to the authorities. While Joe may have done nothing illegal he surly did not do the morally appropriate thing in this case. He should should be held accountable for allowing a predator to continue to abuse and ruin the lives of children for over a decade.

How can you possibly even attempt to defend someone who thought it was ok to not pursue punishment for someone abusing children? I don't get that at all...

Also if he didn't go to the cops at first, he should have when he saw nothing was being done. He is a soul-less asshole, and deserves everything he gets, and then some.
 
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