Kinzer horsing around with the help.

[BillE]

Well said Bill.

You and Dave have a great command of expression and writing skills that really have made this thread great.

Thank you both...

Bill

 

[tuscarora dave]

Thanks for the kind words, Dave.

They say a dog is man's best friend. I say: A dog can teach a man how to be a better friend to both man and dog, if the dog's master would only listen (with ears and eyes).

I am grateful for what you're doing for Kinzer, Dave. You are giving him a chance at a joy filled life he may have never known if he hadn't found you. I say he found you because there is no doubt that he is responding/bonding more with you than any other person who as owned him. The thing is, now he owns you and there's no turning back.

Dave, keep giving Kinzer the care and structure he needs through love and patient teaching. In the end, when you look back on your lives together, he will have taught you more than you could ever teach him.

I just watched the movie "Marley and Me" :doh: Kinzer would be exactly like Marley in all ways if I didn't have you and Trey guiding Him and I with your experience. Training Kinzer thus far has been a wonderful experience. Just yesterday we found a nice long trail back through the woods right in our own back yard. :xyxthumbs:

You are right Bill, I am learning an awful lot through working with him and have noticed changes in my own behaviors and attitudes in general. Thanks.

Well said Bill.

You and Dave have a great command of expression and writing skills that really have made this thread great.

Thank you both...

Bill

Thanks Bill, it's nice to have a place to write about the experiences that Kinzer and I share together. I'm glad you're enjoying our thread!!

 

[tuscarora dave]

For your entertainment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIRDtf0lzZw

 

[tuscarora dave]

I finally got this dog to the vet today, he's now current on all shots and found out he had hook worms and whip worms which he started treatment for today. He should pick up a little weight now and feel better too.

 

[Vegas Transplant]

Good to see that he's adjusting well. I fully expected to see him jump up on you @ 1:09 after you whistled.

Big wave of cicadas expected to hit the region this spring. Awaiting the video :laughing:

Cicada 2013, How to control Cicada Insect, 17 Year Locust

The 2013 Cicada infestation is sizable, and will arrive in a number of states this spring. They are: CT, MD, NC, NJ, NY, PA, and VA.

The 2013 Cicada emergence is from Brood II. This brood has a 17 year life cycle.

 

[tuscarora dave]

Here's a few photos and a video of where we go to exercise.

All this acreage (173) makes for a happy dog.

I've been looking for the water on this property, Knew it was somewhere though I couldn't find it the first few times we went there.

We finally found it the other day, here's a short video.

 

[tuscarora dave]

 

[tuscarora dave]

It's a real darned shame to have to announce this to anyone who's been following this thread, but here goes...

I've put in a ton of work trying to rehabilitate Kinzer. I've had a few key people pour a lot of time and effort into trying to help me to learn about dog training and to help me to understand the natural pack mentality of dogs and how to learn to speak that language within this relationship.

I have learned a ton of stuff and have built a close relationship with Kinzer where a bond has been made and the dog and I function very well together however, this dog has some really bad psychological problems most likely stemming from being in bad situations from a puppy up to the present.

Kinzer has taken a bad turn recently, he's really in tune with me and in most cases he's really obedient with me but he's become viciously aggressive with a lot of the people around me.

It's pretty bizarre to see him so gentle and loving when he's alone with me and then turn viciously aggressive as soon as my father walks into the room or when kids approach us. The only way to snap him out of these viciously aggressive fits is to hit him with a high level electric shock with his E-collar, and that's no way for a dog to live.

It's become very clear to me and to the professionals I've spoken to about this, that it's just a matter of time until someone gets viciously attacked by this dog. Kinzer was heading for death row as a confirmed biter when I brought him home, and as much as myself and those who've helped us along the way have tried, he simply can't be rehabilitated to the point that he's not a danger to the people around us. He's simply much too damaged.

I have learned a ton of stuff through this experience in regards to how and why dog's behave in general, and what they respond to and why. I have learned a lot more than just basic information through all of this. I've learned not only the basics of how dog's work as a pack and what they respond to, but I've also learned a lot of techniques as to how to apply that knowledge in a working relationship with dogs.

As much as I've tried and as hard as we've worked and as far as Kinzer has come in these last 3 months, it saddens me to have to make the difficult decision to have him put down this morning. I've fully accepted that it's just the most responsible thing to do in this particular case and as much as it hurts me to do it, a lot of good has been taken from it. Good that can be applied to another dog somewhere, someday that doesn't have severe aggression issues and is in need of a good home.

Not all stories end on a good note, and I guess that's just how life works out sometimes...

Rather than sitting around feeling defeated about all of this, I'll just pick up the pieces of my life that have been pushed to the side through all the extra time and effort I've been spending with a dog that in the end just couldn't be rehabilitated, get all that stuff caught back up and organized and then look at the adoptable dogs in my area and try to provide a better life to one of them...There are many...

Thank you to those of you who have followed this thread and helped me along the way through this experience, and sorry to have to say that it ended this way. TD

 

[Anthony@zerboautoworks]

Dave,

I would try harder with him don't put your dog down that's inhumane, he deserves better, he is just protective of his owner, you can't get mad at that.this makes me sad, not what I wanted to see first thing this morning.

 

[JSou]

No...

 

[Anthony@zerboautoworks]

So what happened? Did you put him down?

 

[tuscarora dave]

Dave,

I would try harder with him don't put your dog down that's inhumane, he deserves better, he is just protective of his owner, you can't get mad at that.this makes me sad, not what I wanted to see first thing this morning.

So what happened? Did you put him down?

I tried very hard with this dog and nothing I could do was changing his aggression toward other people. I wasn't mad at the dog at all, in fact I loved him as much as I could.

My 73 year old father and I were the owners of Kinzer, so he wasn't just protecting his owner, he was viciously attacking his owner (my father) who had become a prisoner in his own home due to all of this.

I socialized Kinzer with other people and other dogs as much as possible, walked him 4 times a day and ran him off leash at the farm twice a week. I corrected him every time I saw him exerting dominance over humans, he tried constantly. I called all the no kill shelters in the area, spoke to his vet, consulted bog behaviorists and trainers and explained every detail of what was happening currently and what had happened with the previous owners.

The shelters said they wouldn't get involved with him, that he should be put down because he's just too dangerous of a case to be re-homed and it wasn't a matter of if he would attack someone, but a matter of when it would happen. The vet and the dog behaviorist both concurred with the no kill shelters and added that sometimes there are genetic problems that add to or cause these types of issues.

There was just nothing else I could do. I wasn't willing to allow my father to be attacked again obviously, and I couldn't stay with the dog 100% of the time and shut down my business to work with this dog and keep him away from everyone else around me. The longer I kept him here, the more he fed on my fathers fear energy, the more he challenged him.

This was not an easy decision to make, and it definitely wasn't a decision made in haste. It saddens my heart to have had to have him put down yesterday, but the consequences of keeping him were just too great.

 

[Anthony@zerboautoworks]

Well you got to do what you got to do sometimes, still sad and I feel your pain brother.

 

[tuscarora dave]

Well you got to do what you got to do sometimes, still sad and I feel your pain brother.

Thanks man. I've cried enough over dogs for the next several years. Kinzer was an emotional Band-Aid to heal the wound of losing my 16 year old girl Jack in January. It wasn't supposed to end like this and something is really missing from my life not having a dog in it.

 

[Anthony@zerboautoworks]

Thanks man. I've cried enough over dogs for the next several years. Kinzer was an emotional Band-Aid to heal the wound of losing my 16 year old girl Jack in January. It wasn't supposed to end like this and something is really missing from my life not having a dog in it.

I have lost many dogs in my 25 years of life, I actually lost a jack Russel because of a hurricane, I guess she chased her football (which she would not stop bringing it back until you hid the darn thing and she would push it with her nose around the yard) into a ditch and got sucked in by the water, I found her a week later dead.
Are you going to get a new dog?

 

[tuscarora dave]

I have lost many dogs in my 25 years of life, I actually lost a jack Russel because of a hurricane, I guess she chased her football (which she would not stop bringing it back until you hid the darn thing and she would push it with her nose around the yard) into a ditch and got sucked in by the water, I found her a week later dead.
Are you going to get a new dog?

I'm sorry to hear about your jack russel. I don't plan to rush out and get another dog but I am a dog owning type of guy. I'll be keeping my eye out for a young, friendly, female beagle in need of a good home. I doubt I'll ever try rescuing another biting powerful breed again.

 

[Anthony@zerboautoworks]

I'm sorry to hear about your jack russel. I don't plan to rush out and get another dog but I am a dog owning type of guy. I'll be keeping my eye out for a young, friendly, female beagle in need of a good home. I doubt I'll ever try rescuing another biting powerful breed again.

Well good luck with your dog shopping hope you find a good one post pics if/when you get her