Layering?

Klasse Act said:
No...Ivan LaCriox is apart of the company, maybe I phrased it wrong. I understand people don't like Pan, not saying this is you but alot of people have a problem with confidence. He didn't do himself any favors insulting what someone drives and/or their income if he did infact do this, I took the person's word because I'm like that, one of my many faults.

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Everything is what it is.

Pan got called out for advertising in the wrong place, and when we called him out, he went ape sh!t on people with personal attacks (me included). That's just childish, and I'm glad he's no longer posting here. Who acts like that??

That said, if a guy/gal wants to put 15 coats of "product X" on their car....... more power to them. If they think it is worth the time and extra product and they are happy with the results, who is to say they are doing the wrong thing?

Like Mike always said: "Find something you like and use it often".

If "often" is using a whole bottle in a week, well.................... :laughing::laughing:
 
I've used a 1/4 of my first Dream Maker bottle already, got it on Sat Sept 11th

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Klasse Act said:
No...Ivan LaCriox is apart of the company, maybe I phrased it wrong. I understand people don't like Pan, not saying this is you but alot of people have a problem with confidence. He didn't do himself any favors insulting what someone drives and/or their income if he did infact do this, I took the person's word because I'm like that, one of my many faults.

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Sorry I meant Ivan isn't part of that company, or is he? I've seen Yvan do a video for McKee's rinseless.
 
NJNinja said:
Sorry I meant Ivan isn't part of that company, or is he? I've seen Yvan do a video for McKee's rinseless.
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He kind of seems like a gun for hire these days

Popping up in lots of places




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NJNinja said:
Sorry I meant Ivan isn't part of that company, or is he? I've seen Yvan do a video for McKee's rinseless.
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I know people don't like Pan but if you check out his video where his 911 Turbo S is getting coated you'll get the info on the company and this Ivan guys involvement.

Find the video where him and Pan talk about car washing, the guys trying too hard to be "woke" with carwashing but hey, that's just my take, watch and make your own conclusions

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NJNinja said:
Layering is tempting to do for many reasons. At what point though are you doing more harm than good? If a product contains some % of wax, won't layering it just be removing the existing protection and adding new protection?
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One way to find out.

I’ve gone to 2 coats of FK1000p in the spring and the same in the fall. In between, I’ll wash with Griots Surface Wash then PolyGloss. If I can, I’ll do a rinse-less wash in between full washes.

I do what I enjoy and gets my desired results.
 
Prange said:
One way to find out.

I’ve gone to 2 coats of FK1000p in the spring and the same in the fall. In between, I’ll wash with Griots Surface Wash then PolyGloss. If I can, I’ll do a rinse-less wash in between full washes.

I do what I enjoy and gets my desired results.
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...and there you have it

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Prange said:
One way to find out.

I’ve gone to 2 coats of FK1000p in the spring and the same in the fall. In between, I’ll wash with Griots Surface Wash then PolyGloss. If I can, I’ll do a rinse-less wash in between full washes.

I do what I enjoy and gets my desired results.
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Can I suggest using Griot's Garage foaming surface prep about every 2 months This product is a little stronger and removes any road foam that you can't see and brings out a "cleaner clean"

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Klasse Act said:
Can I suggest using Griot's Garage foaming surface prep about every 2 months This product is a little stronger and removes any road foam that you can't see and brings out a "cleaner clean"

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I tried the Surface Prep numerous times and it streaked for me. I gave it away.

A valid idea, though.
 
On two separate cars after correction and panel wipe, two applications of Gyeon Wax were significantly more effective in showcasing its coating level hydrophobics compared to one application, it was a night and day difference for those cars. Even guaranteeing full and thorough coverage on the first application, there are times when things just don't stick as well or other factors are coming into play. The same thing with something like Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax, some paint out there just needs a few applications to get this product going to a high level. I also saw a stacking effect after two applications of Ultimate Quik Wax on the test panel.

This is one of those topics where your mileage may vary.
 
Loach, I applied GG 3 in 1 on the heavier side this time and it really boosted the water repellency quite a bit. They recommend 2 layers, 12-24 hours apart but I did one single heavier layer. I think layering the same product with same chemistry can be beneficial, but there will be diminishing returns at some point and possibly losses.

GG 3 in 1 isn't know to be the best "beader" but I have to say after applying it heavy it is on the same level as HCD etc.

Griot's 3 in 1 Ceramic - YouTube

GG 3 in 1 - YouTube
 
I think the biggest benefit to layering products is the psychological effect of feeling like you have done a "better" job.

The reason I say that is because my primary measure of effectiveness and objective for any LSP is how good does it look. Water behavior, longevity and other measures are secondary to me.

I have on occasion applied a second coat of whatever product I'm using to a small section that has already been completed... And I have never been able to see a difference. It's for that reason I believe the benefits of layering to be primarily psychological.

That said, I'll admit to applying two coats of the same LSP from time-to-time. It gives me the psychological "feel good" benefit.

Let me also say that my perspective is as it relates to waxes and sealants. Coatings are not a part of my vocabulary and I do understand that they may very well be a different animal.
 
Maybe we need to be using more than one mindset here, and I am not saying some of us aren't

Maybe we need to discuss "layering" as it refers to applying multiple layers of the SAME product and separately discuss "topping" or "stacking" (I like that term by the way) or some other term to discuss putting multiple DISSIMILAR products one on top of each other in an attempt to reach an objective

It just seems like we are having an apples and oranges discussion here at times

Just thinking out loud
 
Great point chilly. That is very true.

My thoughts are (I'm not expert just thinking here): Wax over a sealant is not a problem. Wax over wax may or may not work. The new layer of wax can remove the already existing layer.

Then you have instances when you top or stack different products. That is something I wouldn't be in favor of unless the chemistry or products were meant to work together. I know Meguiars specifically states that their entire line of Hybrid Ceramic is compatible with one another.

You see instances where people that have good coatings layer something on top, only to find it diminishes the performance level of the coating.

I'm sure there is no harm in mixing, but from a chemical perspective I'm not sure how ideal that is.
 
NJNinja said:
Great point chilly. That is very true.

My thoughts are (I'm not expert just thinking here): Wax over a sealant is not a problem. Wax over wax may or may not work. The new layer of wax can remove the already existing layer.

Then you have instances when you top or stack different products. That is something I wouldn't be in favor of unless the chemistry or products were meant to work together. I know Meguiars specifically states that their entire line of Hybrid Ceramic is compatible with one another.

You see instances where people that have good coatings layer something on top, only to find it diminishes the performance level of the coating.

I'm sure there is no harm in mixing, but from a chemical perspective I'm not sure how ideal that is.
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chilly said:
Maybe we need to be using more than one mindset here, and I am not saying some of us aren't

Maybe we need to discuss "layering" as it refers to applying multiple layers of the SAME product and separately discuss "topping" or "stacking" (I like that term by the way) or some other term to discuss putting multiple DISSIMILAR products one on top of each other in an attempt to reach an objective

It just seems like we are having an apples and oranges discussion here at times

Just thinking out loud
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Good point. The entire time I was thinking about topping and not layering more of the same product. Perhaps if layering really is the initial question, then I tend to just follow the manufacturer's instructions. If it calls for more than one layer, I do that. If it calls for a single one, I do just that. You'd think the manufacturer knows how well their product will bond to itself and if it's even necessary. I remember the only coating I've done that was a single layer was McKee's and they were pretty clear saying to use just one layer. The others all have called for more than one and that's what I did. The ones that said at least 2, but 3 can also be done, like Mohs, I only did 2. I'm all about less work.
 
I think a lot of the information we are thinking about and working from is dated

The days of DuPont number 7 car wax with a cleaner built in are gone, thankfully, but the dogma associated with it lives on

That stuff was just short of toxic and there is no way layering it left anything from the previous layer

But I just watched a video of the new Gyeon Wax (which I wasn’t really aware of) and we are back to apples and oranges

They are both “waxes” but other than the name I don’t see them as remotely the same product and I can easily see Gyeon Wax building with more applications

I keep going back to 3D Speed and Poxy

They were purpose built to complement each other and although they both contain wax I seriously doubt a layer of Poxy takes off the previous small amount of protection left by Speed


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Bruno Soares said:
Good point. The entire time I was thinking about topping and not layering more of the same product. Perhaps if layering really is the initial question, then I tend to just follow the manufacturer's instructions. If it calls for more than one layer, I do that. If it calls for a single one, I do just that. You'd think the manufacturer knows how well their product will bond to itself and if it's even necessary. I remember the only coating I've done that was a single layer was McKee's and they were pretty clear saying to use just one layer. The others all have called for more than one and that's what I did. The ones that said at least 2, but 3 can also be done, like Mohs, I only did 2. I'm all about less work.
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You follow the instructions?



Turn in your man card immediately

Next you will be using maps and asking for directions…


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Bruno Soares said:
Good point. The entire time I was thinking about topping and not layering more of the same product. Perhaps if layering really is the initial question, then I tend to just follow the manufacturer's instructions. If it calls for more than one layer, I do that. If it calls for a single one, I do just that. You'd think the manufacturer knows how well their product will bond to itself and if it's even necessary. I remember the only coating I've done that was a single layer was McKee's and they were pretty clear saying to use just one layer. The others all have called for more than one and that's what I did. The ones that said at least 2, but 3 can also be done, like Mohs, I only did 2. I'm all about less work.
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Sorry, it slipped out

Your point is well taken

The chemists know more than we ever will

I enjoy tinkering as much as the next guy but sometimes it’s just not productive


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