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I have less than a handful I would use
 
chefwong said:
Home you have a great bodyshop you work with. It's like finding a good roofer or honest HVAC

I have less than a handful I would use
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Yes he is as honest as I've had over several years. He's been in the same shop for 25+ years and has a smoking reputation.
 
Dr Beasley’s says no panel prep required. Does not say don’t do it. If anything it would just weaken whatever surface primer left behind. Nature of a panel prep.

I believe[mention]The Guz [/mention] has panel wiped with NSP’s before and not heard of him stating it affected coating.

Other than Mike Phillips I’d trust mike G next because I know he’s spent some time with NSP.

But maybe a panel wipe could affect the NSP… don’t think so but I’ve never used. If it would hurt it I would think they would put “Do not” and not required….

I think this would be good to know as I have thought about purchasing NSP line. Message Dr Beasley. Will post what they say.

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Coatingsarecrack said:
Dr Beasley’s says no panel prep required. Does not say don’t do it. If anything it would just weaken whatever surface primer left behind. Nature of a panel prep.

But maybe a panel wipe could affect the NSP… don’t think so but I’ve never used. If it would hurt it I would think they would put “Do not” and not required….
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Lets get some opinions regarding the wording on the labels directions.

-“Do not use an IPA wipe after using this product”

-“Follow directly with nano coating”

-“NSP 45 should be used as the last step process before the application of the nanocoatings”

-“NSP 45 utilizes Dr. Beasleys Dr. Prime technology to allow for an optimal bond between paint surfaces and ceramic nanocoatings”

-“This product lays down anchor points and acts as a cross linking agent, allowing for a durable nexus and making it ideal for use for use as the last step before coating application”


In my opinion, based on their own directions on the label, they couldn’t make it any more clear to not interfere and do a panel wipe after using this primer polish.

They specifically tell the user no less than 5 times within 3 short paragraphs right there on the label… Going against the manufacturers directions when they’ve tried that hard to get it through your head is a flat out mistake in my book.




A bottle of beer tells pregnant women not to consume this alcoholic beverage or risk the child having birth defects… Just imagine if 1 beer was so harmful that they had to warn you 5 times on the same label. That would mean it’s pretty damn non advisable, right? Lol.

Well they’re warning you 5 times on the label of Beasleys 45 to not do anything including a panel wipe in between it and applying a coating. How many more times do some people need before they actually listen? Lol. And then they wonder why the coating failed? Cmon man.
 
Eldorado2k said:
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Lets get some opinions regarding the wording on the labels directions.

-“Do not use an IPA wipe after using this product”

-“Follow directly with nano coating”

-“NSP 45 should be used as the last step process before the application of the nanocoatings”

-“NSP 45 utilizes Dr. Beasleys Dr. Prime technology to allow for an optimal bond between paint surfaces and ceramic nanocoatings”

-“This product lays down anchor points and acts as a cross linking agent, allowing for a durable nexus and making it ideal for use for use as the last step before coating application”


In my opinion, based on their own directions on the label, they couldn’t make it any more clear to not interfere and do a panel wipe after using this primer polish.

They specifically tell the user no less than 5 times within 3 short paragraphs right there on the label… Going against the manufacturers directions when they’ve tried that hard to get it through your head is a flat out mistake in my book.




A bottle of beer tells pregnant women not to consume this alcoholic beverage or risk the child having birth defects… Just imagine if 1 beer was so harmful that they had to warn you 5 times on the same label. That would mean it’s pretty damn non advisable, right? Lol.

Well they’re warning you 5 times on the label of Beasleys 45 to not do anything including a panel wipe in between it and applying a coating. How many more times do some people need before they actually listen? Lol. And then they wonder why the coating failed? Cmon man.
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From there website. Again not required… does not mean Do Not…..

So your saying [mention]The Guz [/mention] and [mention]DanaDetailingPros [/mention] got it wrong? I know you’re not a fan of the Guz but he had a lot of experience with this product do you think he would have panel prepped without knowing it was Ok?

Neither of us have experience with this product…We’re just both interpreting what we read.

neither the Instructions or website says it WILL damage or shorten coating life. I’m not saying I’m right We really don’t know.

But as I said I asked Dr Beasley’s and I’ll post what they respond…

Edit: I haven’t seen the video in a while and doesn’t looked like the panel wiped the just used a rinsless. I asked about panel wipe.

I highly doubt a rinseless would change anything

Correct me if I’m wrong [mention]DanaDetailingPros [/mention]

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Maybe contact Mike Phillips. He's a Dr Beasley's rep
 
Eldorado2k said:
It literally says “Do not” in the very 1st line on the back of the bottle…

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Yeah read it when you first posted. That’s why I posted what I read on website… not required.

I get that’s what you think hurt the coating because you read that on the bottle.

Personally I believe it was Detrimental Dr Beasley’s woulda specifically stated that it could interfere with bonding. If anything maybe remove the primer and I would GUESS coating shoulda still adhere.

Also did you re watch video or read my other statements? The video states they did a rinseless, not a Prep wipe…. Kinda makes yours and I discussion moot…


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Coatingsarecrack said:
Yeah read it when you first posted. That’s why I posted what I read on website… not required.

I get that’s what you think hurt the coating because you read that on the bottle.

Personally I believe it was Detrimental Dr Beasley’s woulda specifically stated that it could interfere with bonding. If anything maybe remove the primer and I would GUESS coating shoulda still adhere.

Also did you re watch video or read my other statements? The video states they did a rinseless, not a Prep wipe…. Kinda makes yours and I discussion moot…


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I didn’t hear what specifically they wiped with, but whatever it was couldn’t have been ideal vs. allowing the primer to work as intended.

From everything they state on the label I believe that interfering by using anything between the primer and coating would be a negative result. I believe one would be much better off using a different polish or primer if choosing to do a panel wipe in between.

It seems like they created that primer unlike most other products that are available and for them to go out of their way to instruct the user to not do a wipedown after using the polish and go straight to coating I feel is for good reason.

Old habits can be hard to break… Think of how many people struggle with the concept of using the Zap Cloth. I mailed my 1st Zap Cloth to Bill D. because I wanted him to try it and the 1st thing he said was “yea I’m thinking of what microfiber towel would be good to dry the residue with” even after I had told him they want you to allow it to self dry and they promise streak free but he couldn’t believe that and neither do alot of people because it doesn’t make traditional sense. Lol.

I bet there’s a handful of guys out there waterless washing their black cars using a Zap Cloth as directed with plain water and they don’t install swirls but nobody believes them.
 
The Zap cloth has got to be the most counterintuitive detailing product out there but it certainly addresses a problem. Thanks again,Eldo
 
Dr Beasley’s got back to me. Looks like it was the coating…

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I had a weird failure of Optimum Gloss Coat. At about the 5 year mark, it seemed to turn into a film. It left this weird film that wouldn't come off with a wash. You could see exactly where I had taped off around emblems and such. Those non-coated areas still looked fine. I finally polished it with Sonax EX 04-06 with tangerine pads. It polished off very easily and the paint still looked great under it. It left this greasy black film on the pads that wouldn't wash off. I ended up trashing the pads.
 
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