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hey everyone

I was working on this 2006 Honda Accord Cpe Black Daily Driver, I have cleaned the vehicle waterless wash, clay bar, and compound medium and these white specs are still there, i have done multiple passes with compound using PC 7424xp and a CG orange cutting hex cutting pad. How do i remove these? do i need to wet sand it?

thanks
Ace
 
That looks like a crappy respray paint job. The paint is cracking and the white stuff is compound in the cracks. From my experience there is nothing to do besides a respray. Can you feel all those little cracks with your finger nail?
 
Crow's Feet... a type of clear coat failure. You are not going to remove that.

Is that on the hood?

My families '02 Honda has the same thing on the hood (Nighthawk Black Pearl).
 
yes hood. its pretty smooth. i can barely feel it with my nail
 
Honda paint is notorious for crows feet. As others have said it will be a repaint.
 
I had a '99 Subaru Outback that had that as well along the roof line just below the side rails for the roof rack. The car was neglected for quite some time before we bought it.

Would a glaze like Black Hole hide it a bit?
 
Have the same thing on my black 2003 Honda Accord. Mainly on the hood. Nothing you can do other than repaint or live with it. Funny thing is, I didn't even know they were there until AFTER I polished. I chose to live with it since I handed it down to my teenage daughter.
 
ecoautospa said:
hey everyone

I was working on this 2006 Honda Accord Cpe Black Daily Driver, I have cleaned the vehicle waterless wash, clay bar, and compound medium and these white specs are still there, i have done multiple passes with compound using PC 7424xp and a CG orange cutting hex cutting pad.
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I'm curious...at what point during the wash/clay/compound process did you notice these?
 
It's called Crows Feet or Lacquer Checking or Lacquer Cracking.


In the old days, lacquer paints would do this over time. Paint has to expand when the underlying panel heats up and contract when temperatures get low.

Paint is supposed to be a semi-flexible coating and when it doesn't flex or stretch and contract it cracks.

I've read it can have something to do with the reducers used too, at least as it relates to lacquer paints in the old days.

I know Hondas have had this problem with this specific paint because I owned a Honda Pilot in this color and it had this problem.

This was taken at my house in the Mojave Desert...

2Pilot_New.jpg



:)
 
EXTJosh said:
I'm curious...at what point during the wash/clay/compound process did you notice these?
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Sorry to butt in as I know your question is for the OP, but on mine, I didn't notice until after I polished...so once the surrounding clear coat was clarified. I was using Megs Ultimate Compound so I guess you could say after I compounded/polished.
 
For all the lurkers that are not members or "logged-in" to the forum. You cannot see pictures when they are attached.

So I've downloaded one of the pictures the OP attached and then uploaded it to the gallery so now it can be inserted so you can actually see what everyone is talking about. If you register and join the forum this issue goes away.


This is Crows Feet or Lacquer Cracking

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After paint like this is polished with any type of white colored compound or polish, the residue fills into the cracks and while before they may have been hard to see, now they are easy to see.

The OP can try re-polishing with a gray polish to replace the white residue with gray residue.

The last time I ran into this I machine polished with a gray polish and then machine waxed using Blackfire BlackICE, (a black wax), and this helped a lot.


:)
 
wdmaccord said:
I didn't notice until after I polished...

I was using Megs Ultimate Compound so I guess you could say after I compounded/polished.
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Meguiar's Ultimate Compound is white in color and when you applied it you not only removed the swirls and scratches that acted to help camouflage the cracks but you also restored clarity to the clear coat which also helps to reveal the cracks, especially after they are impacted and thus filled with a white compound.

Happens all the time...


:)
 
wdmaccord said:
Sorry to butt in as I know your question is for the OP, but on mine, I didn't notice until after I polished...so once the surrounding clear coat was clarified. I was using Megs Ultimate Compound so I guess you could say after I compounded/polished.
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Ok yeah that's what I was lookin for....thanks man.

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
After paint like this is polished with any type of white colored compound or polish, the residue fills into the cracks and while before they may have been hard to see, now they are easy to see.
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...thanks Mike! I understand the damage is there even before polishing-- in hindsight though, was there any way the OP could've tested the paint before exposing this type of cc failure even more? Maybe a PTG?
 
...or a swirl finder light? Maybe I just have to see it myself first-hand to understand when it becomes clearly visable.
 
EXTJosh said:
...thanks Mike! I understand the damage is there even before polishing--

in hindsight though, was there any way the OP could've tested the paint before exposing this type of cc failure even more?

Maybe a PTG?
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A real close inspection with good light may have enabled the OP to see the cracking.

Reality is there's nothing short of a re-paint that will fix the problem. Most cars as they get older still have lots of miles in them but due to the cost of a quality re-paint it's not worth it to the owner to get the vehicle re-painted.

In this context, the next best thing to do is to go ahead and wash, clay, polish and seal the paint to take care of what's left and learn to live with the cracking.

NOT taking care of the paint after the crows feet are discovered certainly won't help...


A gray polish for the final polish and a black wax should at a minimum help a little.

Often times the question asked is if a person can use a pressure washer, as in HIGH PRESSURE BLASTING to blast the white residue out of the cracks and this might work or at least help but the risk is potentially lifting some paint off the panel.

I don't know, I've never tired it. Meguiar's #7 and #26 are also very clear or translucent product that person could machine apply and they would help to remove the white stuff and replace it with more invisible stuff.


:)
 
I would like to add that this does happen on single stage paints as well. Also, I have seen on a lot of racecars when they take the noise insulation off the bottom of the hood to save weight, that there is a lot of heat soak from the engine that goes through the metal and causes the same thing.
 
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