Looks like a CQuartz Knock off ?

UPDATE
The following is the e-mail exchange between System 119 and myself
Below is my inquiry
I was reading through the description of the System X Coating system, and what caught my eye was the part about the protection against light scratches and swirls. How does System X protect against the light scratches and swirls?

Thanks.
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Below is their response

Kyle,

System X hardens to 3+ GPa hardness when fully cured. We decided against using the pencil harness test due to this type of test being ineffective and unreliable due to varying hardnesses of the substrate.

The cured System X coating helps prevent swirl marks and light scratches, however it would not protect against a vandal's key or a rock thrown from a passing truck. System X cannot provide as much protection as a clear bra, but we feel it reaches a happy medium between hardness and gloss while allowing the product to be removed by compounding if need be.

Thanks,
Andrew Zeppa
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subscribed looking forward to you posting your results :xyxthumbs:
 
ziggo99 said:
UPDATE
The following is the e-mail exchange between System 119 and myself
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3 Gpa is not very hard at all. Actually its quite soft. You could easily indent it with your finger nail.
 
The cost is not at all similar! System X is a steal if it is close to CQ!
 
JonMiles said:
3 Gpa is not very hard at all. Actually its quite soft. You could easily indent it with your finger nail.
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Well, do you have the hardness rating of Opti-Coat or Cquartz?
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Difficult to scratch with a nail. I'm assuming they mean finger nail.
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And a penny in between 3 and 4, and Element 119 did add a + at the end of it, and I'm assuming it might cure a little harder.
 
ziggo99 said:
Well, do you have the hardness rating of Opti-Coat or Cquartz?
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I've read that when fully cured Opti-Coat has a hardness rating of around 9 on the Mohs scale.

I'd like to know what the CQuartz rating is.
 
ziggo99 said:
Well, do you have the hardness rating of Opti-Coat or Cquartz?
hardnessimage.jpg

Difficult to scratch with a nail. I'm assuming they mean finger nail.
moh%27s%20hardness%20scale.JPG

And a penny in between 3 and 4, and Element 119 did add a + at the end of it, and I'm assuming it might cure a little harder.
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Moh's hardness scale was not used to calculate Gpa being 3+. Moh's hardness is a relativity scale based on the diamond which has a rating well over 100 Gpa (167 Gpa). Gpa means gigapascals as in pressure needed to be able to indent a surface. It is often used as an academic conversion for vicker's hardness. Moh's is a mineral hardness scale not related to polymers, synthetics, most ceramics, and not commonly accepted by scientific community members.
 
JonMiles said:
Moh's hardness scale was not used to calculate Gpa being 3+. Moh's hardness is a relativity scale based on the diamond which has a rating well over 100 Gpa (167 Gpa). Gpa means gigapascals as in pressure needed to be able to indent a surface. It is often used as an academic conversion for vicker's hardness. Moh's is a mineral hardness scale not related to polymers, synthetics, most ceramics, and not commonly accepted by scientific community members.
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Fair enough, fair enough. You definitely know what you're talking about on this. We'll find out some hands on experience coming up in the next few days.
 
ziggo99 said:
Fair enough, fair enough. You definitely know what you're talking about on this. We'll find out some hands on experience coming up in the next few days.
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If whoever tries the product has a test panel to play with, will you please post a video of the scotchbrite test against an uncoated section?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EICcQyxQkZo&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - ‪c.quartz Anti scratch.wmv‬‏[/video]

This should give a great idea to the forum how scratch resistant the coating is vs other products.
 
If you could find those posts/e-mails and post them, that'd be great. This is the first I've heard about the hardness of OC.
 
ziggo99 said:
If you could find those posts/e-mails and post them, that'd be great. This is the first I've heard about the hardness of OC.
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You're right. OC had never made mention of the hardness (and I had read all the posts about it on their forum) prior to CQ coming out. It does have those qualities too but they need to do a better job of promoting it!
 
ziggo99 said:
If you could find those posts/e-mails and post them, that'd be great. This is the first I've heard about the hardness of OC.
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I'm not going to start posting links to other sites and forums. But if you Google "opti-coat hardness" you'll come across all kinds of info. :)
 
richy said:
It does have those qualities too but they need to do a better job of promoting it!
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I agree. Optimum just says that opti-coat is a "resin". Well what kind of a resin? Also what kind of scratch resistance?

It was then said in the Cee Dog extreme testing thread what it is. It is a Ceramic Silicon Carbide resin. *THAT* should be stated and used as advertising imho.
Perhaps I'm one of the few that knows what silicon carbide is but once I read that and knowing how hard silicon carbide is, that is what made me decide to try Opti-Coat 2.0.
 
panthercz said:
I agree. Optimum just says that opti-coat is a "resin". Well what kind of a resin? Also what kind of scratch resistance?

It was then said in the Cee Dog extreme testing thread what it is. It is a Ceramic Silicon Carbide resin. *THAT* should be stated and used as advertising imho.
Perhaps I'm one of the few that knows what silicon carbide is but once I read that and knowing how hard silicon carbide is, that is what made me decide to try Opti-Coat 2.0.
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In my engineering days at Snap-On tools we used Silicon Carbide inserts to cut tool/die steels.
The carbide was in the upper 60's (Rockwell C scale),extremely hard.
 
JonMiles said:
I'm curious where they come up with "super" polymers. There are tons of polymers out there with different properties ranging from simple ethylenes to infinitely diverse amino functional and siloxanes with huge functional groups all over the place. What makes a polymer super? I'm thinking its all marketing hype. Also the term "ceramic" coating is quite confusing. Are we forming a glass on the surface? Is there a complex network of inorganic compounds laying across the surface that is capable of uniformity? What happens when we want to remove the ceramic?
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Great insight Jon!

-Polymers: more than 40,000
-Marketing hype: Our capitalist system at its finest--hard to weed out the truth
-"Ceramic" coatings (nee: super-polymers):

Opti-Coatings (among many) are stated to be made from/with silicon carbide (a.k.a., carborundum, an abrasive), one of the rarest minerals on Earth. It is found in abundance in outer-space, though, mostly around carbon-rich stars and their ilk. Hence, super-polymers--(star-dust :))--as such, were so named, IMO!

Not to be outdone in the retrieval of carbon silicon, mankind has for over a century found a way to create artificial (man-made) SiC.

Now in a revolutionary way, I suppose, man can take grains of SiC (whether they be natural or man-made), bond them by one of the sintering processes, to form hard ceramics. Up until lately, all we heard/knew were their usage on braking systems, LED lights, etc.

Is it truly possible that vehicle care products are also able to incorporate and utilize this technology? Stay tuned. :)

Bob
 
Who ever uses this new stuff please let us how it held up in two years. Mark your calender.
 
panthercz said:
I've read that when fully cured Opti-Coat has a hardness rating of around 9 on the Mohs scale.

I'd like to know what the CQuartz rating is.
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I do not believe that Opti Coat is a 9 on the Moh's scale. I can't. It has been said that Opti Coat is harder than clear coat, but can be polished off if you make a mistake. If Opti Coat is indeed a 9 on the Moh's scale, WHAT would you polish it off with??? It won't be with a foam pad or even a wool pad. I didn't know that diamond dust impregnated pads were available. I suppose diamond dust abrasive polish would be in order as well. ( Non diminishing abrasives, of course. :laughing:) I remember reading that someone on the forum already polished off his Opti coat(or Opti Guard) and reapplied a fresh coat because the car had acquired scratches since he first applied it.
 
Blackthornone said:
I do not believe that Opti Coat is a 9 on the Moh's scale. I can't. It has been said that Opti Coat is harder than clear coat, but can be polished off if you make a mistake. If Opti Coat is indeed a 9 on the Moh's scale, WHAT would you polish it off with??? It won't be with a foam pad or even a wool pad. I didn't know that diamond dust impregnated pads were available. I suppose diamond dust abrasive polish would be in order as well. ( Non diminishing abrasives, of course. :laughing:) I remember reading that someone on the forum already polished off his Opti coat(or Opti Guard) and reapplied a fresh coat because the car had acquired scratches since he first applied it.
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Meguiar's already makes a product to polish it off.
Meguiars Mirror Glaze #85 Diamond Cut Compound 2.0

See? It has diamond in the name, meaning it has diamonds in itIm the MAN
 
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