Loss of clarity with coating?

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I just coated my car Sunday for the first time. It went well installation wise. No high spots or anything like that. I gave it the first wash just now and that went well. The car looks good from most angles. Its definitely similar to what I had with my hybrid waxes and regular waxes.

The thing is, I noticed on the 2 drivers side doors, from like 15 20 feet away looking straight at them they look rubbery and dull. It looks like they lost all their clarity. They don't have that mirror finish that I'm used to seeing. Has anyone noticed anything like this when switching to a coating?
 
You mention the 2 doors on driver’s side. How about the rest of the car? Dull too?
I know some people don’t like the look of a coated car, it becomes glassy and not a deep shine like waxes. But I don’t recall reading dull as a description of a coated car. My wife’s car was also coated this weekend and looks better than it did before with sealants.
 
BSoares said:
You mention the 2 doors on driver’s side. How about the rest of the car? Dull too?
I know some people don’t like the look of a coated car, it becomes glassy and not a deep shine like waxes. But I don’t recall reading dull as a description of a coated car. My wife’s car was also coated this weekend and looks better than it did before with sealants.
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No it looks glassy up close but also rubbery/brownish from the side when im 15-20 feet away. Im going to get some pics tomorrow to compare but I'm definitely seeing less clarity on the 2 doors from that angle. It doesnt have that mirror finish it had before. But the passenger side doors did look good.

I'm going to have to get a better look tomorrow. If it was up to me I would be in the garage buffing it out right now but I can't. I was going to top the coating with high gloss tomorrow but IDK.
 
What kind of coating?? Most say not to wash for a full week. I usually try to go 10 days.
 
DaveT435 said:
What kind of coating?? Most say not to wash for a full week. I usually try to go 10 days.
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Its the pinnacle diamond paint coating v2. I'll be able to get some better pics later today. I was looking at old pics and it was definitely more clear but it might be the angle or the sunlight its hard to say.

Also I noticed it before washing when I went out to check the cloud cover for washing.
 
I'm still evaluating it. I had problems with the surface cleansing polish that left micro marring but not bad enough to ruin the coating. It does look good/ok from a lot of angles. Today was off and on rainy so I will play around with it tomorrow. Right now im on the fence about it. It's not really blowing me away. It does look glassy from certain angles. I will get the pics I promised hopefully tomorrow if weather cooperates
 
Just an update I'm out here working on it. So I didn't coat the trunk and it kind of has the same look as the doors that I thought looked rubbery. I think I did lose a little bit of clarity and it does look a little rubbery but going by the trunk it's not that clear from 15-20 feet away either

I'm going to redo it around Thanksgiving and probably try the new McKees coating. I'm doing a test right now to see if I should talk my current coating with Synergy or famous carnauba flocking cream both are hybrid waxes I'll try to post some pics later
 
fightnews said:
Just an update I'm out here working on it. So I didn't coat the trunk and it kind of has the same look as the doors that I thought looked rubbery. I think I did lose a little bit of clarity and it does look a little rubbery but going by the trunk it's not that clear from 15-20 feet away either

I'm going to redo it around Thanksgiving and probably try the new McKees coating. I'm doing a test right now to see if I should talk my current coating with Synergy or famous carnauba flocking cream both are hybrid waxes I'll try to post some pics later
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Since you say to you didn't coat the trunk, did you use your normL method of lsp on it? Or what's on it now?
 
Carnubaflocken creme black topped with fusion. I put a coat of the carnubaflocken creme famous over the coating it actually looks way better. A lot more glossy
 
What kind of cleansing polish did you use that caused micro marrings? And do you think that was what did the rubbery dull look?
 
One thing I haven't seen is the preparation steps prior to the coating being applied? What was your process and what products did you use? It doesn't make sense that some panels would look better than others, but it might add a little more data to the conversation.
 
I find the Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating V2 to be very slick and glossy for a ceramic coating. I never experienced a rubbery feel or look with this coating before. Some ceramic coatings are very rubbery feeling and require another product to give it some slickness.

What machine polisher and pads did you use with the Pinnacle Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish? Did you have a good source of lighting?
 
I had excellent light. Used a flex 3401 with a red force flex pad with the prep polish. The coating feels slick I think the "rubbery" look is just that i can see the coating on there. I can see its diffrent then just the paint. The prep polish stinks its the 2nd time this happened. The first time i thought it was becuase the polish was in the garage over the summer and seperated. Gave it another shot with a new bottle, same thing but not as bad. We are talking micromarring that you have to have great light just to even see it.

I used eraser before the prep polish I wish I would of stopped at that. The coating itself actually went on great considering it was my first time
 
I'm trying to find 2 pictures even for myself so I can see them side by side. I take a lot of pics but it's hard to get 2 with the same lighting outside. Plus I already topped it with the famous.

I'm also thinking this dodo juice supernatural hybrid nano would make a good topper.

Here's my thought process on topping. I figure I can top my coating with a hybrid wax. That should bond to the coating. Then I can top the hybrid wax with a regular carnuba. That should bond to the hybrid. Then I'm back to a regular wax on top that I can take care of with my many regular wax products. Meaning shampoo, detailers, spray waxes, waterless/rinseless wash ect ect,,,
 
fightnews said:
I'm trying to find 2 pictures even for myself so I can see them side by side. I take a lot of pics but it's hard to get 2 with the same lighting outside. Plus I already topped it with the famous.

I'm also thinking this dodo juice supernatural hybrid nano would make a good topper.

Here's my thought process on topping. I figure I can top my coating with a hybrid wax. That should bond to the coating. Then I can top the hybrid wax with a regular carnuba. That should bond to the hybrid. Then I'm back to a regular wax on top that I can take care of with my many regular wax products. Meaning shampoo, detailers, spray waxes, waterless/rinseless wash ect ect,,,
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But then what's the point of the coating? If you're not going to "use" its benefits as the LSP then why bother coating first to lay wax over it?
 
BSoares said:
But then what's the point of the coating? If you're not going to "use" its benefits as the LSP then why bother coating first to lay wax over it?
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Because it gives it a nice glassy look. At least that's what I was hoping but the jury is still out on that....

Plus it should be better protection but I didn't do it for that.
 
That just sounds like too many cooks in the kitchen but interested to see how it turns out.

When I first started messing about with coatings i wss topping them with all sorts of waxes and QD's...Wolfgang Fuzion, Dodo Purple Haze, Pinnacle Souveran, WG Detail Spritz, WG Deep Gloss Sealant and Spritz, Kenotek Showroom Shine and a few more. Eventually I just ended up with s surface that acted like a wax...not very self cleaning and attracted dust.

After I gave up on that I went into SiO2 overload; wash coated car with Gyeon Bathe+, follow that with Gyeon WetCoat, finish with Gyeon Cure or similar. Eventually I did start to lose clarity and have since become kinda a minimalist.

Car is now coated, added a carnuaba/glass coating hybrid wax from the same 'collection' every 3 months or so, topped occasionally with a booster from the same collection.
 
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