LSP Layering: Let's break em' down.

Not much really. I haven't layered any waxes over sealants. I've used Meg's Ult Liquid and Paste. For maintenance I've used Meg's Ult QW, Optimum Spray Wax, and a couple others I can't recall. I recently tried some QW from Lucas that was surprisingly fantastic. As soon as I have a free weekend I'm going to do a full detail and seal it with Chemical Guys Blacklight that I have been dying to try. Might have to get some V7 to top it since they are supposed to be like PB&J.

The only really bad result I have had was when I used Meg's Wash & Wax Anywhere, just to test it out. It actually turned out really nice. But then after the next wash I used the Optimum and it streaked and left a hazy film all over the place. And honestly, I didn't think the Optimum spray was all it's cracked up to be. It was okay, but I didn't think it looked like anything special, and it didn't seem to hold up that well. I know it's just a spray wax, but people seem to rave about it.

My objective is just to make it look great. I would like to have a nice layer of protection, but this time around I'm going for a topper that will make the blue really pop.

Well, for what it's worth, I'm a "sealant under wax" kind of guy. I use my favorite products and combinations. I like experimenting, but the results seem negligible to be after the polishing is done. Ultimate Wax (which is a sealant) is a great product to have around. It looks great, and last a relatively long time. That would be a really good starting point, in my opinion.
 
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...referenced in an auto detailing forum... Mind: blown lol. Mike, reading your articles is like falling into a Wikitrap. I click the links to your other articles, read more, and before I know it I've spent half my day on Autogeek. Thanks for the info, your stuff is always appreciated!

Well, for what it's worth, I'm a "sealant under wax" kind of guy. I use my favorite products and combinations. I like experimenting, but the results seem negligible to be after the polishing is done. Ultimate Wax (which is a sealant) is a great product to have around. It looks great, and last a relatively long time. That would be a really good starting point, in my opinion.
Yeah I have definitely had good results from it. I think I like the paste better in terms of looks, but I prefer the liquid because it's trim-friendly.
 
Ok, I think I get what you're saying now with the card thing.

I'm still not sure how to answer you on any of this though...

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To layer, or not to layer? That is the Question!
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Act III, Scene 1:
Dream Sequence (Being brought from "On High")

Bob the Interloper: "Message received...Thank You!"

"So the word is: It is really possible to layer LSPs:
I must spread the word!!!"


Act IV, Scene 1:
Meanwhile, in Detailing Land,
wherein the Word has been duly spread:

OP/BlueBeast14GT: "OK!!..."

"HMMM...Now which product do i want to be the actual final-layer-LSP...
A: Wax, Sealant, "Hybrid", or Coating?

After all:
That LSP, and it's characteristics,, are what I may have to live with, for its entire life cycle...
(Wait a minute: Or Not...hee hee").



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Not sure how anyone actually measures the effectiveness of layering anyway. How much of it is just a placebo effect, i.e. more is better?

Very good points.

The appearance measurement will always be purely subjective. From my experience layering Klasse SG, I've not noticed any difference in appearance between one or two coats. However, I have been able to measure the durability of multiple coats. Last winter I hit one vehicle with two coats of SG and another with one coat. Once Spring rolled around the double coat vehicle still had some beading going on while the single coat vehicle had nothing left.
 
great question, and i expect there are a lot of different theories floating around. heres mine. staying within one product range will give you the least amount of product interference issues (generally speaking). with that in mind; new wax over old or cured wax, fine. new wax over cured sealant, fine. new wax over cured hybrid, fine. new sealant over cured sealant, fine. new hybrid over cured hybrid, fine. sealant over wax, not really recommended. sealant over hybrid, again not recommended, but you will get away with it with some. dodo juice SN acrylic spritz can be used over SN Hybrid for example, being water based rather than spirit based its very forgiving as sealants go. if you tried to do the same with DJ red mist, you'd start stripping the hybrid whilst applying the sealant.
layering waxes or hybrids, allow at least an hour, preferably two between coats. layering sealants is very product dependant time wise. as a rule of thumb i'd suggest a two hour minimum, but some of the fussier ones may need considerably longer. if in doubt, contact the manufacturer.
i would consider hybrid sprays to be more of a 'top up' product a month or so down the line. if you're layering waxes, hybrids and/or sealants then try to do it within a few hours (assuming that is appropriate for the particular product). that way you'll avoid allowing too many contaminants onto the first coat before you apply the second.
it is my understanding that waxes can only be layered to around 5 coats, beyond that you'll start wiping away wax trying to apply more.
hope that helps, rather than adding to the confusion lol. and when all is said and done, Chris is quite right. play around and enjoy. if something doesn't work, strip it off and try something else. its all good fun :dblthumb2:
 
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