M100, M101 or Ultimate Compound on Rotary?

I like/use both Meg's UC and M101. M101, for me anyways, finishes so nice that its ready for LSP, after a quick rinseless wash to remove the dust, which I must say is minimal. M101 is more expensive compared to UC and UC is available OTC too, so in a pinch, you can get an awesome product locally. I find using mf compounding pads to work better w/ UC and ofcoarse foam works great w/ M101.

Good luck to you, can't miss with either of these products and one more thing, I've had great results using foam w/ UC also.

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Well, W-I-K-I didn't work as planned...let's try a copy/paste.

The federal Hazard Communication Standard, revised in 2012, now requires chemical manufacturers, distributors, and importers to provide new Safety Data Sheets in a uniform format that includes the section numbers, headings, and associated information below.

Section 1 – Identification identifies the chemical on the SDS as well as the recommended uses. It also provides the essential contact information of the supplier.

Section 2 – Hazard(s) identification includes the hazards of the chemical and the appropriate warning information associated with those hazards.

Section 3 – Composition/information on ingredients identifies the ingredient(s) contained in the product indicated on the SDS, including impurities and stabilizing additives. This section includes information on substances, mixtures, and all chemicals where a trade secret is claimed.

Section 4 – First-aid measures describes the initial care that should be given by untrained responders to an individual who has been exposed to the chemical.

Section 5 – Fire-fighting measures lists recommendations for fighting a fire caused by the chemical, including suitable extinguishing techniques, equipment, and chemical hazards from fire.

Section 6 – Accidental release measures provides recommendations on the appropriate response to spills, leaks, or releases, including containment and cleanup practices to prevent or minimize exposure to people, properties, or the environment. It may also include recommendations distinguishing between responses for large and small spills where the spill volume has a significant impact on the hazard.

Section 7 – Handling and storage provides guidance on the safe handling practices and conditions for safe storage of chemicals, including incompatibilities.

Section 8 – Exposure controls/personal protection indicates the exposure limits, engineering controls, and personal protective equipment (PPE) measures that can be used to minimize worker exposure.

Section 9 – Physical and chemical properties identifies physical and chemical properties associated with the substance or mixture.

Section 10 – Stability and reactivity describes the reactivity hazards of the chemical and the chemical stability information. This section is broken into 3 parts: reactivity, chemical stability, and other.

Section 11 – Toxicological information identifies toxicological and health effects information or indicates that such data are not available. This includes routes of exposure, related symptoms, acute and chronic effects, and numerical measures of toxicity.

Section 12 – Ecological information provides information to evaluate the environmental impact of the chemical(s) if it were released to the environment.

Section 13 – Disposal considerations provides guidance on proper disposal practices, recycling or reclamation of the chemical(s) or its container, and safe handling practices. To minimize exposure, this section should also refer the reader to Section 8 (Exposure Controls/Personal Protection) of the SDS.

Section 14 – Transport information includes guidance on classification information for shipping and transporting of hazardous chemical(s) by road, air, rail, or sea.

Section 15 – Regulatory information identifies the safety, health, and environmental regulations specific for the product that is not indicated anywhere else on the SDS.

Section 16 – Other information indicates when the SDS was prepared or when the last known revision was made. The SDS may also state where the changes have been made to the previous version. You may wish to contact the supplier for an explanation of the changes. Other useful information also may be included here.


Bill
 
Tector said:
Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) are intended to let people know what chemicals are present from a safety standpoint. It affects things like ingestion, shipping, storage, etc. It has nothing to do with pad selection.
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While you are correct it also provides the ingredients to make the formula. On the back end, only the chemist will know what % of EACH chemical is added to the formula.

What I'm saying is the formula for compound and Polish should be made in conjunction with the pad. You have to run extensive testing with X pad and X product to see if the results are perfect!

I at least hope every car care company is testing there polishes with there pads.... do you see what i'm saying?

The ingredients play a crucial roll with what pad you are using.

This is why when people say use X pad and Y polish, I cringe. While it may work on the paint they are buffing. The paint you are buffing is very different! This is why I would always suggest sticking to one product!
 
I thought this was a thread about M100 , M101 and Ultimate Compound.
 
Takes all kinds I guess.... Stay Fresh - while it's great to follow the manufacturers guidlines generally with pad selection etc it doesn't ALWAYS work. so you have to improvise (especially if you are in the middle of a detail) and go with a different pad and or polish combo to achieve the result you (or your customer) desires. This isn't rocket science on this end of detailing- it's trouble shooting 101. Paints vary from yr to yr, car to car etc.. plus you have to factor in temp, humidity, are you in direct sunlight etc.... THAT'S why you need to be flexible when you are detailing and have multiple products and tools at your disposal to get the results you desire. Sometimes that means you will be using a Lake Country pad with Meguiars products (for example) Get it?
 
Mach1USMC said:
Takes all kinds I guess.... Stay Fresh - while it's great to follow the manufacturers guidlines generally with pad selection etc it doesn't ALWAYS work. so you have to improvise (especially if you are in the middle of a detail) and go with a different pad and or polish combo to achieve the result you (or your customer) desires. This isn't rocket science on this end of detailing- it's trouble shooting 101. Paints vary from yr to yr, car to car etc.. plus you have to factor in temp, humidity, are you in direct sunlight etc.... THAT'S why you need to be flexible when you are detailing and have multiple products and tools at your disposal to get the results you desire. Sometimes that means you will be using a Lake Country pad with Meguiars products (for example) Get it?
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I understand the versatility you are referring to but I myself and along with others I have delt with seem to agree its a guessing game with what your saying. By all means if you find that X pad with Y product, Awesome!

This is why most manufactures offer a hand full of different pads to work with. So if you need to be more aggressive, then use a more aggressive pad and compound. If you need to be less aggressive, bump down to a finishing pad and polish. Compounds and polishes have a certain degree to what they can do and what they cant do. So why would you have a hand full of pads from one company and buy polishes from another??

X product and X polish, made in conjunction with each other. Proven results!

X product Y polish, hoping it works... nope! doesn't seem to work! let me go buy more product and keep guessing.

You're right its not rocket science. ITS A FORMULA + PAD + TESTING = Results

But hey, like I said if you find X product and Y pad, sweet :)

I know this is off topic and I'm sorry. I just don't understand the logic on how recommendations can be given with X pad and Y product. Yes it might work for you but the person you are telling this to has different paint then you. Id say stick to one product line and go from there. Most car care companies now days offer 100% money back guarantee.

I try to stay away from forums like this because there is DIE HARD fan boys who swear by products. Iv'e been doing this a long time. Iv'e tried everything under the sun. I learned the hard way buying X product and Y pad with no results and an empty wallet.
 
All forums have their pros and cons. People are biased everywhere. Some of them have the advantage of having Mike to cut through the clutter.
 
Stay Fresh said:
I understand the versatility you are referring to but I myself and along with others I have delt with seem to agree its a guessing game with what your saying. By all means if you find that X pad with Y product, Awesome!

This is why most manufactures offer a hand full of different pads to work with. So if you need to be more aggressive, then use a more aggressive pad and compound. If you need to be less aggressive, bump down to a finishing pad and polish. Compounds and polishes have a certain degree to what they can do and what they cant do. So why would you have a hand full of pads from one company and buy polishes from another??

X product and X polish, made in conjunction with each other. Proven results!

X product Y polish, hoping it works... nope! doesn't seem to work! let me go buy more product and keep guessing.

You're right its not rocket science. ITS A FORMULA + PAD + TESTING = Results

But hey, like I said if you find X product and Y pad, sweet :)

I know this is off topic and I'm sorry. I just don't understand the logic on how recommendations can be given with X pad and Y product. Yes it might work for you but the person you are telling this to has different paint then you. Id say stick to one product line and go from there. Most car care companies now days offer 100% money back guarantee.

I try to stay away from forums like this because there is DIE HARD fan boys who swear by products. Iv'e been doing this a long time. Iv'e tried everything under the sun. I learned the hard way buying X product and Y pad with no results and an empty wallet.
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Apparently we all have different experiences- and please stop acting like you're the only one who details here. It's insulting.

And by all means discount what Mike Phillips says..... I'm sure you have your own forum, product lines, decades of experience in actual R&D with a real company...... No? You have nothing like that? Yeah- didn't think so. The reason you're getting no respect my friend is you not only sound like you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about- you're arrogant and condescending on top of it.

Or are you just trolling? In that case bravo- this was a good one!!:dblthumb2:
 
I've sent you a email to clear things up :)

On a side note, please go back and read my post. I am not arrogant at all.

If you would like, I can talk to you over the phone to make things more clear?
 
Stay Fresh said:
While you are correct it also provides the ingredients to make the formula. On the back end, only the chemist will know what % of EACH chemical is added to the formula.

What I'm saying is the formula for compound and Polish should be made in conjunction with the pad. You have to run extensive testing with X pad and X product to see if the results are perfect!

I at least hope every car care company is testing there polishes with there pads.... do you see what i'm saying?

The ingredients play a crucial roll with what pad you are using.

This is why when people say use X pad and Y polish, I cringe. While it may work on the paint they are buffing. The paint you are buffing is very different! This is why I would always suggest sticking to one product!
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One thing has nothing to do with the other. Msds and directions or application guides are two different things that serve two very different purposes.
 
Thank you Tector and BrandonS. I feel as though it's like beating a dead horse here but you are both right. As a regular importer of car care, the MSDS has nothing to do with recommending which pad, polish and machine goes together. The key focus within this acronym is SAFETY.

Stay Fresh, please accept the fact and move on from it.
 
Stay Fresh - You should probably research what a MSDS or what is now called SDS actually is. And what they are intended for before you write about them.

What you are typing is being interpreted by most people on the forum as slightly confusing. I think you are meaning "specific instructions" on the usage of the product rather than a safety data sheet intended to inform the end user of the potential safety hazards of using the specific hazardous materials that are formulated into the chemical solution.

What pad to use with what chemical has ABSOLUTELY ZERO relation to how to make yourself aware of the potential hazards of specific chemicals inside a formula.

Also a lot of people are incorrect in thinking that a SDS lists ALL of the chemicals used to make a formula. Only leaving out the percentage of said chemical. This is incorrect. A product can have 120 different chemicals inside that make up the formula, but the SDS may only list 1 chemical. or Zero of the chemicals. That is because the intention of the SDS is to list the HAZARDOUS chemicals ONLY.
 
This will be my last post on the subject.

Let me be very clear. A MSDS sheet is a safety sheet BUT it is essentially the KEY to the formula. Like I said, ONLY the chemist knows the % of chemicals added into the formula. You are correct, most companies do not add the entire list of chemicals to the MSDS.

if its on a MSDS sheet or notebook paper, it doesn't matter! the formula should be made and tested with the pads being sold.

My entire point is to make the formula in conjunction with the pads being sold. It makes NO SENSE to have people buy pads from one company and polish from another.

Have a great day :)
 
Stay Fresh said:
It makes NO SENSE to have people buy pads from one company and polish from another.

Have a great day :)
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It makes perfect sense and is done all the time as you would see in about every show and shine thread on this forum.

What happens with a brand makes only abrasives and not pads or vice versa? This is also a common scenario.

Sorry, I don't mean to come off as argumentative but some points you've made need to be reconsidered.
 
Stay Fresh said:
My entire point is to make the formula in conjunction with the pads being sold. It makes NO SENSE to have people buy pads from one company and polish from another.

Have a great day :)
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Are you saying, a company like Lake Country shouldn't make pads because they don't make 'polish'? Mother's shouldn't make 'polish 'cause they don't make pads?

Needless to say, I'm a bit confused by your comment.

Bill
 
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