Machine Stroke and How It Affects Sanding and Polishing Performance

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For quite some time I have been working on a paper about the innerworkings of the random orbital. While I have not had a whole lot of extra time this year to devote to completing it, I decided to post a modified portion of it. This section pertains to MACHINE STROKE, and how it may affect overall performance. I hope it is easy to understand and will help those that are interested in maximinzing the potential of their machine. For those of you on the fence regarding which machine to purchase next, perhaps this article will help you decide.



Machine stroke is a term that identifies the diameter of the path the backing plate travels as it circumnavigates the driveshaft.
Since the machine's driveshaft is rarely level with the backing plate, machine stroke actually refers to the driveshaft axis and the backing plate or backing plate mounting spindle axis. The diagram below illustrates this point:


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Machine manufacturers also refer to machine offset, backing plate offset, stroke radius, and stroke diameter. Regardless the terminology, these terms are identifiers of the machine's movement.


To clarify:

Machine offset or backing plate offset or stroke radius
The distance between the driveshaft axis and the backing plate axis

Machine stroke or stroke diameter
The distance between the driveshaft axis and the backing plate axis multiplied by two

A longer offset or stroke places the backing plate axis farther away from the driveshaft axis.



If the machine's driveshaft is rotated once, the backing plate shaft will travel around the driveshaft axis once, creating a perfect circular pattern. This motion is referred to as an orbit. Machine manufacturers often refer to operating speeds using "Orbits Per Minute" or an "OPM" rating. Some manufacturers refer to operating speeds using a "Revolutions Per Minute" or "RPM" rating. This is completely accurate, but can cause confusion because this rating is sometimes thought of as referring to the backing plate's rotational speed. Since the backing plate rotates independently of the machine's driveshaft (and does so at a random rate), an RPM rating can be confusing. The diagram below compares orbit speed to orbits per minute:


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A majority of random orbital machines use a stroke diameter that measures somewhere between 1/8" to 5/16" (approximately 3.0mm-8.0mm). It is generally accepted that a smaller stroke leaves a more refined finish, but reasoning and experience tell a different story. After all, if the sanding disc being utilized features consistently sized particles that are evenly placed and proper sanding techniques are used while sanding, a satisfactory result will be realized regardless the stroke. The diagram below illustrates this point:


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Factually, a small stroke machine does confine sanding to a smaller area. This means that for a given amount of time, sanding of any one point will be multiplied. If you plan on using the machine to sand or polish items diminutive in size, a small stroke machine is the way to go. A small stroke machine is also a great choice if you will be using the machine to work on small areas (such as touch-up jobs or similar tasks), or on confined areas that may limit machine movement. In addition, a small stroke machine is generally easier to control because the backing plate orbits around the driveshaft axis along a smaller circular path. This equates to less lateral motion of the machine as it is held in your hand (versus a similarly outfitted large stroke machine), and is therefore easier to grasp while the machine is in use.

Otherwise, a machine featuring a large stroke delivers increased speed of backing plate motion using the same RPM setting. A large stroke also increases movement of the sanding disc, so "leveling" of the area is more consistent. Increased movement may help abraded residue more readily escape from between the disc and sanded surface, so consistent sanding results and extended life of the disc may be realized. The diagram below illustrates the differences between four of the most popular stroke sizes in relation to spindle speed:


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By now you may be wondering if a small stroke machine could deliver the best of both worlds by simply increasing the RPM of the machine. While this would likely increase random rotation of the backing plate, there would be several drawbacks. Most noticeable would be a decrease in user comfort, as the machine would be more difficult to control. Vibration would also increase, making the machine uncomfortable or unusable for users susceptible to fatigue. It is important to also note that since the backing plate would not have extended movement as would a long stroke machine, abraded residue and sanding debris (such as dislodged abrasive particles) might not clear away from beneath the sanding disc. The list goes on, but the most important issue that might occur due to an increase in RPM has to be a potential decrease in overall sanding performance. The following three diagrams illustrate this point:


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Keep in mind that in terms of leveling a large surface (one that is larger than the diameter of the pad), there is no denying that a large diameter disc will level that surface more consistently than a small diameter disc. Since this article pertains to machine stroke, how best to illustrate the performance differences between small and large stroke machines? A comparison of machine stroke to a typical handheld sanding block helps to illustrate the point:

stroke-surface-leveling-900.jpg



What Should You Consider Before Purchasing a Machine?

There are five important factors to consider when choosing the ideal stroke size:

Control of the Sanding Area
Cushioning
Centripetal Force
Backing Plate Diameter
User Comfort


1. Control of the Sanding Area
Controlling the size of the area being sanded is accomplished primarily by the user's movement of the machine. The diameter of the sanding disc has an obvious effect, too. Finally, if the machine is held in place and throttled, a large stroke machine will sand a larger area than a small stroke machine. As an example, a machine touting a 3/32" diameter stroke outfitted with a 6" backing plate will effectively sand an area 6-3/32" in diameter, whereas an identical machine featuring a 5/16" diameter stroke will sand an area 6-5/16" in diameter. Although a 7/32" variance may seem trivial, it might not be considered as such if the 6" backing plate was swapped for a 3" backing plate.



2. Cushioning
If a majority of work is going to be done using interface pads for contouring purposes, or if a lot of paint polishing will be done using the machine, it is important to note that much of the machine's motion could be affected due to cushioning from the interface or buffing pad. This is especially true if the machine is used at a high oscillation speed, as the time frame for the foam to react is dramatically shortened. Machines featuring a small stroke are certainly more susceptible to this occurrence, so this should be considered prior to purchasing a machine.



3. Centripetal Force
Be patient reading this section- it can be hard to comprehend.
Before we discuss what centripetal force has to do with machine stroke size, it is important to understand what it is. Do not confuse centripetal force with centrifugal force- they are different! Centripetal force, loosely defined, is a "center seeking force". This means that any entity that causes another entity to form a circular pattern of motion is placing centripetal force upon that object.

An easy to understand example of centripetal force has to do with a boy holding the end of string that has a ball attached to the other end. If the boy spins in place fast enough, the ball will take flight, and string tension will direct the ball in a circular pattern of motion. The boy, through string tension, is directing the ball in a centripetal manner. Ultimately, you could say that the string is placing centripetal force on the ball.

What if the string is lengthened?
Even if the boy spins at the same rate, the ball will be moving faster because it has to travel more distance in the same amount of time.

What if the string breaks?
The kinetic energy of the ball (the energy it has while in motion) immediately forces the ball away from the boy. This reaction is known as a reactive centrifugal force, often referred to as centrifugal force. Centrifugal force is not important for this discussion- it's just good to know the difference. To increase kinetic energy, either mass or velocity must be increased. A-ha!


What does all this have to do with stroke size?
Quite a bit! If the stroke diameter is increased, all of the parts that are mounted to the backing plate spindle will travel at a faster rate of speed because they are traveling a longer distance in the same amount of time. The resultant speed increase also increases the development of kinetic energy. An increase in kinetic energy means that the backing plate (which is mounted to a free-spinning spindle and rotates at a random rate) will rotate more rapidly. Further, more resistance will be required to slow backing plate rotation.


Bottom line:
All other parameters being equal (machine, backing plate, disc or pad, sanding surface, applied pressure, and RPM setting), a long stroke machine will spin the backing plate faster or longer than a similarly equipped short stroke machine.



4. Backing Plate Diameter
Sanding discs are available in a wide variety of diameters, ranging from 1-1/4" to 12". For the most part, 3", 5", and 6" diameter discs are the most popular sizes. Woodworkers seem to favor 3" and 5" diameter discs, while 3" and 6" diameter discs seem to get the nod for automotive sanding duties. Regardless the job, common sense should be used when pairing specific disc sizes with small or large stroke machines.

On the small side of the scale, 3" system (backing plate and sanding disc) would likely be used for spot jobs or tasks that require small diameter discs due to space limitations. Small diameter discs work well on complex or heavily contoured areas, too. While it is not unreasonable to use a large stroke machine with small diameter sanding discs (I personally use a 5/16" stroke machine quite a bit with 3" pads for the added centripetal force it creates), most times a small stroke machine is less unnerving to use because there is less side-to-side (or lateral) movement of the backing plate. Therefore, there is less likelihood that the backing plate will come into contact with surrounding parts or surfaces. If the machine is going to be used on surfaces that are not very wide (such as automotive A-pillars, stainless steel body trim, or thin strips of wood), then a small stroke machine will not be so apt to "ride off" the piece, possibly gouging an edge in the process.

On the other end of the scale, a machine outfitted with a 6" sanding system (backing plate and sanding disc) benefits from a larger stroke if the surface area to be sanded is large, or substantial amounts of material needed to be removed. As previously discussed, increased movement of the backing plate allows abraded residue to more readily detach and then evacuate from the sanding disc, keeping it and the sanded surface clean. A small stroke machine outfitted with a 6" sanding system allows the user to strategically sand and "level" larger portions of a panel compared to a similar machine equipped with a 3" sanding system. An example when this might come in handy? A desire to remove of a long but gradual sag in a paint job without removing paint outside the edges of the sag. Parts or materials that cannot withstand lots of shaking due to lateral movement of the backing plate would benefit from the movements developed by a small stroke machine.



5. User Comfort
A short stroke machine does not move the backing plate as much as a large stroke machine. For users that are susceptible to discomfort due to high frequency vibration (such as when a machine is run at a high speed setting), the small stroke machine may cause more discomfort than a similarly equipped large stroke machine. For users that are susceptible to discomfort due to lateral motions (such as encountered when a machine wiggles back and forth due to the weight of the backing plate and items attached to it), a large stroke machine may cause more discomfort than a similarly equipped small stroke machine.


In general:

A machine featuring a 3/32" diameter stroke is optimal for sanding small parts, or for sanding areas that are hard to reach due to clearance restrictions. A small stroke machine works exceptionally well on delicate parts because lateral movement of the backing plate is minimized (thus delivering a gentler movement that a large stroke machine). Random rotation of the backing plate will generally be negligible unless the machine is set to a high speed setting (which can be a benefit or drawback, depending upon the situation).


A machine featuring a 3/16" diameter stroke is ideal for most tasks because it delivers ample movement of the backing plate, but it can still be used in tight or confined areas without a problem. When used for polishing paint with buffing pads and liquids, a machine featuring a 3/16" diameter stroke will usually generate enough centripetal force to keep the backing plate and buffing pad rotating. Of course, a very tall pad will negate much of the machine's motions.


A machine featuring a 5/16" diameter stroke is the best choice if there is ample room to use the machine, and the machine is not used regularly on parts or surfaces that are not very wide.
 
:urtheman: Wow now that is a technical article. I love mechanical stuff but I have just been humbled.:dblthumb2:
 
As a career path, I was in the setting, maintenance, troubleshooting and repair of industrial machinery in several different industries. In figuring out a lot of the mechanical challenges of how things work, the manuals are generally vague to useless so I had to figure it out by taking the machine components apart and inspecting them which was part of the maintenance of the machines anyway.

Looking back, if I had manuals as well written as the section that you shared above I probably would have loved my job a whole lot more and would have stayed in that field.

I really enjoyed reading that and am quite impressed with it. I would love to see your entire works. Thanks for sharing it.
 
Now, that is an article!

Excellent write-up, diagrams and most especially the graphical representation of the behavior of the BP as the DA machine runs. Is this part of the book you've been writing or a separate paper? :)
 
Looking back, if I had manuals as well written as the section that you shared above I probably would have loved my job a whole lot more and would have stayed in that field.

It's funny, I frequently lament how car manuals have gone so far downhill. I'm mostly a GM guy, and in the 70's the manual sections would always describe all the components of a system and how they work, so you could understand what you were dealing with before you started. Now you're lucky if you can even figure out how to do the repair from what's in the manual, they are pretty pitiful.

Back on topic, I was only able to skim this right now, but as expected from the inventor of the KBM, this is certainly a detailed and in-depth exploration of the topic, are you going to self-publish and sell this when you are done? You should.
 
so? Can you explain what this means to a detailer in English.
Nice Graphs.


Harv
 
so? Can you explain what this means to a detailer in English.
Nice Graphs. Harv

Uhhh.... I see a re-write in the not too distant future. :cry:

Short answer? I'm not that guy. Plenty of very basic info already available... thanks for the compliment on the diagrams however! :righton:
 
KB you are a god!!!

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Wow Kevin that is impressive!! An in depth but interesting read. Keep up the good work! Crap I'm amazed!!!!
 
Also have the article in a PDF.

Easier to read but it's bout 3.6 megabytes, so e-mail me and I'll fire off a copy to you! ::xyxthumbs: [email protected]
 
Very technical but also very simple to understand. Great writing indeed!

I have read and written many a technical paper during my career as an engineer. Now, during the MBA, I have learned that the trick to effective communication sometimes can be the simplicity and time to deliver the message with enough understanding: effectiveness, which is exactly the thing missing from most engineering technical papers (and much of my own writing I must admit). This is a very effective article.

Kevin, I think your "one pager" technical pages are perfect! Well illustrated and explained. Thank you! :props:
 
I actually printed it out. :dblthumb2:

Right on. I can e-mail the PDF version if you'd like. It's an easier read.

As a career path, I was in the setting, maintenance, troubleshooting and repair of industrial machinery in several different industries. In figuring out a lot of the mechanical challenges of how things work, the manuals are generally vague to useless so I had to figure it out by taking the machine components apart and inspecting them which was part of the maintenance of the machines anyway.

Looking back, if I had manuals as well written as the section that you shared above I probably would have loved my job a whole lot more and would have stayed in that field.

I really enjoyed reading that and am quite impressed with it. I would love to see your entire works. Thanks for sharing it.

Wow. That is one heckuva compliment. I really appreciate the acknowledgement!

This dude is a freakin' genius.

Just a regular detail-guy that gave it a shot. A hail Mary. I swung for the cheap seats. Im the MAN

Now, that is an article!

Excellent write-up, diagrams and most especially the graphical representation of the behavior of the BP as the DA machine runs. Is this part of the book you've been writing or a separate paper? :)

This is a modified section of that paper. The actual paper uses some of these diagrams but the text in this section is a bit different. Thanks.

Very nice article Kevin... Those graphics must have taken hours...

Yup, they did. It's what has effectively slowed the finishing of the paper, but I think they help people to better visualize what's going on. Plus, I enjoy learning and using my graphics program. Thanks, Mike.

It's funny, I frequently lament how car manuals have gone so far downhill. I'm mostly a GM guy, and in the 70's the manual sections would always describe all the components of a system and how they work, so you could understand what you were dealing with before you started. Now you're lucky if you can even figure out how to do the repair from what's in the manual, they are pretty pitiful.

Back on topic, I was only able to skim this right now, but as expected from the inventor of the KBM, this is certainly a detailed and in-depth exploration of the topic, are you going to self-publish and sell this when you are done? You should.

I think I may copyright it- is that what you mean? Perhaps I may submit it to a magazine or two... see if there's any interest in using it. I don't think it costs a lot o' dough to copyright, but I need to read up on the subject, nonetheless. I'll have to fix two or threespacing and speilleing errors I picked up on before I do! Thanks for the advice.

Very technical but also very simple to understand. Great writing indeed!

I have read and written many a technical paper during my career as an engineer. Now, during the MBA, I have learned that the trick to effective communication sometimes can be the simplicity and time to deliver the message with enough understanding: effectiveness, which is exactly the thing missing from most engineering technical papers (and much of my own writing I must admit). This is a very effective article.

Kevin, I think your "one pager" technical pages are perfect! Well illustrated and explained. Thank you! :props:

Blush. Thanks! When guys with a background in engineering lay down a compliments like you just did... well, you just can't know how much it means! :righton:


APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENTS, GUYS!!
I know that this is not an easy read. Perhaps if looked over bits at a time, it may sink in a little easier. There is certainly some good info to be had. If the info sticks, a guy should have pretty darned good insight as to how to better optimize the performance of any orbital machine featuring any stroke size. There is so much more to how it this works, but machine stroke is a very misunderstood or overlooked spec. Happy reading. :props:
 
Can you associate the short, medium, long stroke to specific model DA's?
 
Can you associate the short, medium, long stroke to specific model DA's?

Well, most of the machines list their stroke, orbit, or offset measurements in their spec sheet or on the manufacturers website. The major players in the air-tool business generally offer their machines in 3/32", 3/16", and 5/16" diameter orbit.

Here's a list of some of the most popular 5" & 6" electric-powered machines.
"RO"=random orbital, "FRO"=forced rotation orbital, and a machine listed as both is switchable between the two.

1/8" stroke diameter
(RO) Griot's 10925 (original machine) - 1/8" stroke diameter (not verified and not likely that small)


7/32" stroke diameter
(RO/FRO) Makita BO6040


9/64" stroke diameter
(RO/FRO) Festool Rotex RO125 FEQ


3/16" stroke diameter
(RO) DeWalt DW443

(RO/FRO) Bosch 1250 DEVS (specs list 3/32" offset)
(RO/FRO) Festool Rotex RO150 FEQ


5/16" stroke diameter
(RO) Meguiar's G100
(RO) Meguiar's G110
(RO) Meguiar's G110v2
(RO) Porter Cable 7335
(RO) Porter Cable 7336
(RO) Porter Cable 7424
(RO) Porter Cable 7424XP
(RO) Griot's 10765 (new machine)

(FRO) Flex XC 3401 VRG

(RO/FRO) Festool Rotex RO125 FEQ
(RO/FRO) Festool Rotex RO150 FEQ


3/4" stroke diameter
(RO) Dynabrade 61374 (attachment for rotary buffer)
(RO/FRO) Dynabrade 61379/61384 (attachment for rotary buffer)
 
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