Manderville "Fable of the Bees" 1714

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Bernard Mandeville, in his scandalous book, The Fable of the Bees. As the title promises, the book opens with a lengthy allegorical poem about a thriving beehive that bore more than a passing resemblance to the England Mandeville called home.

Inside the hive, industry flourished, the arts and sciences steadily advanced, and prosperity reigned. What made for such a boon? Not virtue, Mandeville contended. Instead, the lust for power and the vanity that attends personal success kept the wheels of commerce turning:

Passages like this one provide the intellectual origins for the moral mandate of self-interest. The contention underlying it is so familiar to us that it bears emphasizing how shocking and counterintuitive it seemed to Mandeville’s readers. On his account, the fate of the poor and vulnerable rests not with our best intentions, but with our worst.

A vile tide lifts all boats.

Yet Mandeville went ever further. He not only asserted that private vices yield public benefits, he contended that the inverse relationship between wickedness and wealth amounted to an iron law of human affairs. The achievements of an advanced society could only be maintained by immoral longings.Mandeville makes this point in the poem when “Jove” gets fed up with the hypocrisy of the bees wringing their hands over vice while enjoying the ease and luxury it supplies. Deciding to teach them a lesson, he relieves the bees of their wanton ways. “Honesty fills all their Hearts,” and the economy of the hive promptly begins to sputter. With the bees no longer motivated by baser passions, the taverns shut down, the retailers go bankrupt, and the courthouses are closed for business. The industry that remains is so small it can no longer support so many bees. The population swiftly declines, leaving the hive vulnerable to its enemies. They attack, and though the courage of the bees saves them from destruction (virtue, it appears, has something to commend it) they are forced to retreat from their spacious hive and take refuge in a hollow tree. The moral, for Mandeville, is clear:

Fraud, Luxury, and Pride must live,
While we the Benefits receive
 
Interesting post ..never read the book but it definitely is food for thought. Thanks for posting!
 
How far can the lust for profits take us?

See pics@ The Photos That Helped End Child Labor in the United States | Mother Jones

Can't happen today, you say:

see http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/95565-vw-scandal-5.html See post #41 'link' He will serve th most time for lying to Wall Street, not the deaths he caused.

Keating-Owens Child Labor Act in 1916 was held unconstitutional, who & why fought for this to be unconstitutional? GREED!

Greed is good to a point, then needs to be counter balanced (unions, govt.), so children aren't exploited. Jesus! It's cruel & incredibly mean to treat, animals like this, let alone kids.

It still happens though, tobacco & farming were exempt from, child labor, now kids work the tobacco fields (under this exemption) & routinely are poisoned.
 
Seems, to me, that Mandeville's way of
defining individual human beings was, that:

They (We) are all postlapsarian creatures...
irredeemably selfish and greedy; intent on
their (our) own private pleasures...even when these
goals are hidden behind respectable facades.


But...Hasn't it been this way since
the beginning of time immemorial?


Bob
 
Wow! Had to look that one up.

postlapsarian
post·lap·sar·i·an (pōst′lăp-sâr′ē-ən)
adj.
Theology Of or relating to the period after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Interesting, but no, not all societies were 'capitalistic' since the fabled 'Adam and Eve'. I will concede that capitalistic countries had, a faster rise, than others.

Greed capitalism is a double edged sword, allowing enormous benefit, & great tragedy!

Manderville spoke only one side of the story, greed allows, prosperity, but overlooked greed's downside. Indeed the Rockefeller's & Carnegie's advanced this country, from wilderness, to world power. But many suffered due to greed.

Again greed is good to a point, it becomes bad when cheating occurs. The only way to counter greed (gone crazy) is unions, & govt.. Which act like a check & balance system. Like our founding fathers, envisioned.

Bob - excellent post, made me think!

Take Care
Rico
 
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