Meg.7 alternative/pure polishing oils?

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Hello! My apologies if this has been discussed previously, searching these terms tends to run me in circles.
I've read Mikes (excellent) article on using Meg.7 on vintage oxidized single stage. What I am wondering is if anyone has any experience with a different product for the same usage? Reason I ask, it's literally impossible to source where I am, my only option is a few weeks of shipping, and overpaying extremely for what should be a readily available product.

If anyone has any first hand experience with the technique Mike uses on old single stage, but with a different product I would very much appreciate opinions. If Meg.7 is the only thing that will work, I'll have to deal with the inconvenience. However, if I can actually source a similar workable product locally I would much prefer that.

Thanks a bunch for the wealth of knowledge on this site.
 
Is the location problem related to distance, lack of shipper in-country, or customs difficulties?
 
Deep Crystal Polish is still sold in some countries. If not available try Ultimate Polish or M80, last M205 in that order.
 
Zubair said:
Deep Crystal Polish is still sold in some countries. If not available try Ultimate Polish or M80, last M205 in that order.
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Do you suggest Deep Crystal and UP simply because you know that they are oily products and will "hydrate" SIngle Stage paint in a similar manner? Or do you know for certain that they contain the same oils as Megs #7 ?
 
I've only use a local brand I used to be a dealer for and of course num 7
They both were near identical results
 
Harpolith said:
Do you suggest Deep Crystal and UP simply because you know that they are oily products and will "hydrate" SIngle Stage paint in a similar manner? Or do you know for certain that they contain the same oils as Megs #7 ?
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I am certain it contains the oils needed to hydrate paint. DCP contains exactly the same TS Oils as M7 while UP has them in smaller quantities but with the added benefit of abrasives which help clean off dead paint.
 
Thanks for the insight into Deep Crystal/Ultimate Polish. I was concerned they were of a different makeup.
As for the difficulties with finding the product, I'm in Canada. So it's not impossible for me to get my hands on, but it does mean ordering from the US, at a markup, with shipping delays and customs charges. As a general guideline, I do try to support local Canadian business (and products readily available, ha), hence me looking for a similar product.

Fairly safe to assume that even the best of other Glazes do not contain any of the TS oils which makes Meg. 7 so useful?

Thanks!
 
Not sure exactly where you're at in Canada, and sorry if it appears this is taking business from the AutoGeek Folks.

In your town, seek an auto paint supply business. They all usually carry Glazes, it's then up to you which to buy.
 
That's my concern. There's a million and one glazes out there, most I'm sure are great for their intended purpose. Just appears as if Meg.7 can be used for a fairly specific need that may not be accomplished by just any 'glaze'.
 
Go to some authorized autogeek retailers. There's eshine, oldetownautospa and autoobsessed. I'm Canadian as well and I feed my addiction through those guys. See if one of them can order Meg No 7 in for you.
 
88CSC said:
That's my concern. There's a million and one glazes out there, most I'm sure are great for their intended purpose. Just appears as if Meg.7 can be used for a fairly specific need that may not be accomplished by just any 'glaze'.
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Not sure what you're trying to get at here? If you are trying to say that Megs #7 is the only Glaze that has merit, and all others fall in behind, then I'd say you are dead wrong.

And I'll be bold enough to say it right here, and right now with who ever falls in behind you, including Mike Phillips that there's been many times I absolutely hated Meg's #7, and that I thought it was not the best Glaze, and the golden fleece of Glazes. Far from I often felt, and from many bad experiences with it, I'm not inclined to ever spend my money on that product again.

I didn't like the fact that I often found I almost needed an angle grinder to get it off. With that sort of level of difficulty with removal, it surely is then not doing wonders for your paint finish IMO.

Sorry, but I'm gong to buck the tide on this one, and if Megs #7 is still resembling what I've found it to be like over the past 30 years, then I'll surely take a pass, and wouldn't take a case of it for free, that's how badly I disliked this product.

I'm old school, I can recall using products like Liquid Ebony, that was a very good product, and a product that's been long gone.

The 3M products, I've used all of them over the years, Imperial, Micro-Finishing, the entire Perfect it line, and none of the 3M products ever disappointed.

And I've used virtually all of the 3M products on an amassed collection of very fine electric guitars and bass guitars that I've owned over the past 40 years, like 5 Fender Precision, and Jazz basses, 2 Modulus Basses, in which 2 of them cost me a cool $6K, Rickenbacker Chris Squire Limited Edition Bass, only 1000 of those puppies made, a couple Fender Strats, and a couple Teles too, a '52 American re-issue I once owned in Butterscotch Blode, a Gibson Les Paul, A Pedulla Bass, a few Alembic Basses I've owned at $2500 a pop, the list is long, and the list perhaps totals well over $30K worth of instruments I'm speaking of here.

And I've used and trusted 3M Glazes to maintain, and or restore such instruments. Two that come to mind in particular, in which 3M Imperial Glaze helped restore to museum quality, were two unique Fender Bass Guitars I once owned, they were both '62 American made Re-issues a Fender Precision and a Fender Jazz Bass in the very rare Mary Kay see through White finish. I doubled my money on the sale of both those instruments, but today kick myself for ever selling them, they were magnificent!

Of course other's mileage might vary, but this is my opinion of Megs #7, a product I never personally liked.
 
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The original Blue Coral Glaze of old, yeah, in the glass bottle, another fine glaze which I religiously used, and again, another fine product which is long long gone.

Here's a couple vehicles I owned, which the Blue Coral Glaze used to be used upon.

Yep, those were both mine, the '67 Stingray, and the '68 SS396 Camaro.
 
IMO:
The below Meguiar's products run
a pretty close second to M07.
(I'm thinking of "pretty close second"
in terms of Secretariat's: by-31-lengths
victory at the Belmont Stakes in 1973.)

-Meguiar's Deep Crystal Polish
(where available); and,
-M03 Machine Glaze.


Bob
 
MarkD51 said:
Not sure what you're trying to get at here?
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Sorry if I came off like I'm championing for this product. I'm an automotive refinished by trade, and am reasonably familiar with the fact there are many great products and methods. However, due to my age and experience, 40 year old paint is far past any in depth knowledge of improvement (other than strip and refinish with some modern water/urethane :xyxthumbs:).
What I am getting at is from all the research I've done, this product was the one references for its particular assets in the particular situation. 20 hours of hand buffing my grandfathers old ride with CarPro Essence would be great, but not if it continues to die back. Was just hoping for some insight from others who have more in depth knowledge than myself regarding this condition of paint. Cheers.
 
88CSC said:
Sorry if I came off like I'm championing for this product. I'm an automotive refinished by trade, and am reasonably familiar with the fact there are many great products and methods. However, due to my age and experience, 40 year old paint is far past any in depth knowledge of improvement (other than strip and refinish with some modern water/urethane :xyxthumbs:).
What I am getting at is from all the research I've done, this product was the one references for its particular assets in the particular situation. 20 hours of hand buffing my grandfathers old ride with CarPro Essence would be great, but not if it continues to die back. Was just hoping for some insight from others who have more in depth knowledge than myself regarding this condition of paint. Cheers.
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I'm also sorry that I came off tooting my horn a bit too much, and ranting towards this product, and as well a kinder approach towards you as a new member here.

Maybe others have had better luck than I with Meg's #7. As well, the formulation may have changed for the better in recent times, that it is a bit easier to use?

As many will say, a glaze has its uses, and such as Mike Phillips explains the use to feed-enrich older paints prior to polishing makes a lot of good logical sense. Mike is a master at what he does, and a master at doing the least amount of harm to a paint system, and knows how delicate such older neglected paints can be to deal with. I have learned much from him from his writings, he is very scientific and logical in his mastery of everything detaling related.

They are great for bringing back gloss, and hiding imperfections such as mild swirling.

I have seen in the past some products called Glazes that were made by small wax factories that weren't true glazes, and had wax products in them.
 
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