Meg UC and Orange CCS not cutting it- what to use?

These pads are better suited for a PC style machine then? My statement question above may have seemed a bit (maybe a lot) ignorant. I have just never really found a use for these pads. I own about a half a dozen of them and am certainly open minded enough to keep trying them in the right situation but they seem so aggressive with such large cells that the only result I've ever gotten from them is that they create so much marring that I just put them back in the cabinet after a test section with them.

Would you say they work best with an all in one product containing a wax or sealant, or with an aggressive compound? If they can be of good use to me, I'd like to learn how to use them.
 
but they seem so aggressive with such large cells that the only result I've ever gotten from them is that they create so much marring that I just put them back in the cabinet after a test section with them.

They are aggressive and on most paint systems they will leave micro-marring or DA Haze just like abrasives can do when used with a DA Polisher.

But for when you want to remove some oxidation quickly and do so in one-step using a one-step cleaner/wax, on the right car they can be the right pad.

For any kind of quality work, a person would want to do a second polishing step using a less aggressive pad and product. You being an experienced professional know how to remove defects faster while leaving a nicer finish thus saving time while working forward in the process.

For this white Toyota Highlander, it was in horrendous shape due to lack of care. The owner, a nice guy and all is simply not a "Car Guy" and that's why the paint was horrendous in the first place and I knew that the paint would only return to this same condition down the road.

Knowing the above, I knew since the paint was white and wouldn't show micro-marring (if any), that just getting the paint clean and shiny would be more than enough to make the owner happy and would still be doing the paint a HUGE favor versus nothing at all. Plus, doing a multiple-step to this Toyota would not be matching my services to the customer since a show car finish would never be maintained or appreciated in the right way.


I talk about this here,

A few tips on starting a part-time detailing business
Match your services to your customer




Would you say they work best with an all in one product containing a wax or sealant, or with an aggressive compound? If they can be of good use to me, I'd like to learn how to use them.


The way I used them for the Toyota was using a very aggressive pad with a non-aggressive one-step cleaner/wax, the result was via the pad and the abrasives in the cleaner/wax enough abrading power to chew off the dead, oxidized paint, remove a majority of the swirls and scratches and still leave a very nice looking, high gloss finish. Being white, it wasn't going to show any dulling that might have been left by the aggressive pad. To be honest I didn't see any dulling but I also didn't chemically strip the paint.


As for you're business model and work style, it could be they just won't work for you. They are a "tool" just like any other tool in your detailing arsenal of products and sometimes they can be the right tool for the job.

Next time I use this style of pad I'll remember this pad and chime back in...



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AS always, Thanks for your insight. I can now see in my mind how these pads might be used for serious removal (without clogging up) of heavy oxidation, something of which I deal with lots of.:dblthumb2:
 
AS always, Thanks for your insight. I can now see in my mind how these pads might be used for serious removal (without clogging up) of heavy oxidation, something of which I deal with lots of.:dblthumb2:


Anytime a person is dealing with oxidation, be it on a boat or a clear coat finish or even a single stage finish, the key to maximizing the performance of the pad, product and your time will always be to clean your pad often. As the residue gunk builds-up on the face of the pad it's a good idea to somehow get as much of it off as possible before buffing out a new section of paint.

I'd say most people, including myself, don't clean their pads often enough when buffing out a project. That's why it's a good idea to have plenty of cotton, terry cloth towels on hand if you're working with a DA Polisher and even a rotary buffer with foam pads.

I use terry cloth towels and a rolling finger technique to clean foam pads on a rotary buffer that works well and gets me back to buffing fast...


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Where does D300 go on that chart, between 105 and UC?

+2, where would D300 fit?


Just answered that on page to of this thread,

The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!


Here's what I wrote,

Mike Phillips said:
My guess is D300 is going to fit between the Ultimate Compound and ScratchX 2.0 as shown in this original picture for this thread.



Super Micro Abrasive Technology = SMAT
From left to right, the most aggressive to the least aggressive SMAT products
SMATaggressivenessOrder.jpg



Remember, D300 is part of a system targeted at high speed, production detailing where the goal isn't 100% defect removal but the removal of the majority of swirls and scratches without instilling swirls and scratches through the use of a rotary buffer which is the NORM for the high production, detailing industry.

Heck anything would be better than what you get from the production industry, just read this thread posted today...

Alleged "Detailing" Shop = epic FAIL


The D300 is meant to remove the majority of swirls and scratches, be Bubba-proof and also part of a two component system where the follow up product, D301 removes any haze left by the compound and the fiber pad while leaving the surface waxed at the same time so the car can be kicked out and the next car brought in for it's turn at reconditioning.

The Megs system was never interned to be a system for show car detailing. Not to say you can't get show car results as you certainly can, but that's not what it was formulated for, intended for nor the market it was designed to go after.


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