Megs MF question
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Rsurfer
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You can use the 205 with a foam pad to finish down.
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tommythecat
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I just did my car for the first time with the MF system. I used the D301 and I am really happy with the results. I will get a write up done as soon as I get the pics off my phone and camera. :xyxthumbs:
silverfox
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There must be a million threads on guys buying the MF correction system and then taking a pass on the D301 part of the combo. Either Megs has geniuses working in their marketing department (getting folks to buy products they won't actually use) or this whole fear or lack of love for D301 is needless and needs some serious rebuttal from both Megs and detailers alike. I can't think of such a revolutionary, game changing product as is the MF correction system combo (after many years of testing before being released) ...that is being rejected as much as the D301 product seems to be experiencing. The fear seems to be around the carnuba and fillers it lays down which I find ridiculous because most guys lay down carnuba on top of their sealant of choice anyway.
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Setec Astronomy
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I thought it was the fact that the D301 is an AIO, and for the people here, if they are doing a multi-step polish, they don't really want to finish with an AIO, they want to use a finishing polish and then their LSP of choice (perhaps having to do with having spent the time doing a multi-step, they want to use their best LSP, or at least a dedicated one).
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I have used the 300/301 on both factory and repaints with excellent results. I can't speak to the longevity or durability of 301 as a LSP as I have so far always applied various products over it with no issues. I've used M21 V2, NXT V2, UW, GC paste, #26 and #16. All look good and have held up for a couple months so far.
As a finishing polish, 301 does a great job with the MF pad. I'm tempted to let it go and see just how well and how long the 301 protects. Anyone done this yet and can offer their observations?
As a finishing polish, 301 does a great job with the MF pad. I'm tempted to let it go and see just how well and how long the 301 protects. Anyone done this yet and can offer their observations?
silverfox
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Its true that some really soft, finicky paints "perhaps" will leave a haze when finishing down with MF finishing disc...but its seems odd to me that this reason is what's driving the fear factor. We are talking a very, very small % of paint types that would experience this. Many guys are using the MF finishing pads, but using products other than D301, (or they stop after D300/cutting pad step, and go right to an LSP other than D301)...so I'm not convinced the MF finishing pads as being the primary reason.
I just don't get the overwhelming tendency... to just skip the D301/MF finishing step altogether (especially from those who have never even tried it), and substitute it with something else...but its obvious that is what's going on for a vast majority of those considering buying the MF correction system.
I just don't get the overwhelming tendency... to just skip the D301/MF finishing step altogether (especially from those who have never even tried it), and substitute it with something else...but its obvious that is what's going on for a vast majority of those considering buying the MF correction system.
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I agree John. I bought the MF system & after reading many more posts about it I'm confused about whether D301 is really all that's needed to complete the job. Seems like the more 'OCD' folks want to tinker with the system, changing this & adding that but I'm not sure what the purposes nor the end results are, that part is always missing from the comments. And maybe OCD isn't the right term, it may be more ADD (attention deficit disorder), no offense intended. (For those to whom this may apply, please don't start a flame war, I'm entitled to my opinion too.) I've never seen a comparative review between the MF system as it was designed and another approach that takes bits and pieces from here and there.
Setec Astronomy
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Again, I think the disconnect is that Meg's designed the system for the same people that traditionally use AIO's like #66, etc., which is dealers and car wash detailers.
Generally on these types of forums, AIO's are frowned upon as being a compromise, and not having the best characteristics of either a finishing polish nor an LSP. Hence the desire to use the "compound" part of the system but not the "AIO" part of the system.
To me it's just a matter of target market, etc.
Generally on these types of forums, AIO's are frowned upon as being a compromise, and not having the best characteristics of either a finishing polish nor an LSP. Hence the desire to use the "compound" part of the system but not the "AIO" part of the system.
To me it's just a matter of target market, etc.
Michael Stoops
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As a Meguiar's employee who got fairly well involved with Jason Rose while this system was being developed, perhaps I can assist a bit here with the "D301 perception" issue being discussed here.
What a lot of people tend to lose sight of is what this system was developed for: primarily it is a very fast, very safe two step system that allows high volume reconditioning facilities to move many vehicles through their system without having to train employees how to properly use a rotary buffer. For many of these places (think Manheim Auctions, for example) the required level of defect removal is fairly high, but the expectations for the level of finish demanded by a discerning detailer isn't there. They have fairly high operator turnover and can't afford to train everyone on rotary use, and they can't afford the potential damage that a total novice could cause with a rotary. So this system allows them to put quickly trained operators onto virtually any vehicle and safely remove the majority of defects very quickly, and then finish off with a very capable cleaner wax (D301) that will leave a finish superior to what they had been getting in the past. For the purposes of prepping the car for auction it is far, far beyond their expectations.
Now you guys step in and you're demanding a higher level of finish for an end result. You demand it, your customers demand it. That's fine. Heck, that's great even. And maybe you prefer the way M205 or 85rd finish down. Great. Maybe you prefer the final look or durability of NXT, Ultimate Wax, Blackfire, Pinnacle, Zaino, Collonite, etc etc etc. That's fine too.
There's no doubt that D300 on the cutting disc has practically revolutionized the way you guys approach many detailing projects, and the overwhelming positive feedback has been, well, overwhelming. Many of you have also found D301 on the finishing disc to be a great one step process on paint with light to moderate marring and which responds well to such an approach. Heck, maybe you're even then topping with something else. Cool.
But even in our own marketing information on the system we talk about using the cutting disc and D300 as the first step in a more thorough or critical detail, with M205 on a foam pad as the second step and M21 or other LSP to finish off.
For your own vehicles, if you're super critical, then maybe the three step with different products is the approach that works best for you. But if you're looking for a fast way to achieve a really nice finish with just two steps for a customer who's looking for a major improvement but isn't willing to pay you for 12 hours of work, D300/D301 can be hard to beat for overall speed vs results gained.
What a lot of people tend to lose sight of is what this system was developed for: primarily it is a very fast, very safe two step system that allows high volume reconditioning facilities to move many vehicles through their system without having to train employees how to properly use a rotary buffer. For many of these places (think Manheim Auctions, for example) the required level of defect removal is fairly high, but the expectations for the level of finish demanded by a discerning detailer isn't there. They have fairly high operator turnover and can't afford to train everyone on rotary use, and they can't afford the potential damage that a total novice could cause with a rotary. So this system allows them to put quickly trained operators onto virtually any vehicle and safely remove the majority of defects very quickly, and then finish off with a very capable cleaner wax (D301) that will leave a finish superior to what they had been getting in the past. For the purposes of prepping the car for auction it is far, far beyond their expectations.
Now you guys step in and you're demanding a higher level of finish for an end result. You demand it, your customers demand it. That's fine. Heck, that's great even. And maybe you prefer the way M205 or 85rd finish down. Great. Maybe you prefer the final look or durability of NXT, Ultimate Wax, Blackfire, Pinnacle, Zaino, Collonite, etc etc etc. That's fine too.
There's no doubt that D300 on the cutting disc has practically revolutionized the way you guys approach many detailing projects, and the overwhelming positive feedback has been, well, overwhelming. Many of you have also found D301 on the finishing disc to be a great one step process on paint with light to moderate marring and which responds well to such an approach. Heck, maybe you're even then topping with something else. Cool.
But even in our own marketing information on the system we talk about using the cutting disc and D300 as the first step in a more thorough or critical detail, with M205 on a foam pad as the second step and M21 or other LSP to finish off.
For your own vehicles, if you're super critical, then maybe the three step with different products is the approach that works best for you. But if you're looking for a fast way to achieve a really nice finish with just two steps for a customer who's looking for a major improvement but isn't willing to pay you for 12 hours of work, D300/D301 can be hard to beat for overall speed vs results gained.