Meguiars buys 3D

[SON1C]

1st Kevin Brown post since 02-23-2012, 02:21 AM

lol live stats! thank you allen

 

[KillaCam]

Longer working time with the compound polishing the paint, minimal dusting, perfect example 105 vs hd cut or even m101 vs hd cut
although thanks to JSou I had the opportunity to work with wolfgang uber for a couple days on several vehicles and that is quite a compound, great cut, finishes well, incredible work time.
Don't mean to start a debate with all of this, just throwing my 2c in.

However I do know you are the 105 king and I lost track of how many times I tried to replicate your method with using m105! While it has great cut and finishes well it is a bear to work with in my opinion thus I have turned to other compounds.

SMAT vs DAT. You are comparing apples to oranges. Meguiars compounds weren't designed to have diminishing abrasives. Squirt a small amount of water after working the product for more cut and longer working time. Don't see why people have so many problems with meguiars 105....

 

[PorscheGuy997]

I hope they do so 3d can teach meguiars about working time within compounds

Does a working time for a compound have to be long for it to remove the defect?

If you really want some work time, add some mineral oil to the compound and spend extra time trying to remove the oily residue. Or, try and make D300 dry up.

If this is true I will be ordering some gallons before 3m ruins their product line

What exactly was ruined? We're all curious to know, since there's so much "secret" information in this thread.

 

[SON1C]

SMAT vs DAT. You are comparing apples to oranges. Meguiars compounds weren't designed to have diminishing abrasives. Squirt a small amount of water after working the product for more cut and longer working time. Don't see why people have so many problems with meguiars 105....

I do, simply stated my opinion.

 

[SON1C]

Does a working time for a compound have to be long for it to remove the defect?

If you really want some work time, add some mineral oil to the compound and spend extra time trying to remove the oily residue. Or, try and make D300 dry up.



What exactly was ruined? We're all curious to know, since there's so much "secret" information in this thread.

Preference. I like long working times. I actually love d300 and I have seen it dried up.

 

[Kevin Brown]

Longer working time with the compound polishing the paint, minimal dusting, perfect example 105 vs hd cut or even m101 vs hd cut
although thanks to JSou I had the opportunity to work with wolfgang uber for a couple days on several vehicles and that is quite a compound, great cut, finishes well, incredible work time.
Don't mean to start a debate with all of this, just throwing my 2c in.

However I do know you are the 105 king and I lost track of how many times I tried to replicate your method with using m105! While it has great cut and finishes well it is a bear to work with in my opinion thus I have turned to other compounds.

No sweat, not lookng for trouble... :bat:

Just interested to talk about things like this. Sometimes a simple statement can lead into a really great discussion!

There's so many ways to extend or shorten the length of a buffing cycle. If we're on the same page here, you are basically wanting an increase in the amount of time that one application of a buffing liquid can be used?

In addition, you don't want dust, or you believe that the compound you were using dusted too much?

 

[Shane731]

No sweat, not lookng for trouble... :bat:

Just interested to talk about things like this. Sometimes a simple statement can lead into a really great discussion!

There's so many ways to extend or shorten the length of a buffing cycle. If we're on the same page here, you are basically wanting an increase in the amount of time that one application of a buffing liquid can be used?

In addition, you don't want dust, or you believe that the compound you were using dusted too much?

Kevin Brown has spoken! The heat is on! :buffing:

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

Just spit-balling here, but I think having at least some degree of dust is a natural and expected byproduct of compounding. All of those spent abrasives and removed paint have to go somewhere!

Sure you can make a compound dust less by adding oils or other such things to the formula that keeps everything "in suspension" instead of letting it be expelled as dust, but it would seem to me that doing so also has the potential to gum pads up more quickly and reduce cut as the abrasives are caught within the suspension fluid (not to be confused with blinker fluid).

I see it as not much different than the way the polymers in a rinseless/waterless wash product encapsulate dirt and particulates away from the finish. It's a careful balance to get the proportions just right and determine what effect which oil, solvent, or abrasive set will ultimately have on cut/working time/aggressiveness/etc. Let alone the issue of paint swell (a subject which I believe was beaten to death already a few years ago).

That isn't saying that a quest for less dusting isn't valid if you've got the extra time to burn and/or are specifically after something with less cut; but heavy cutting at its most aggressive is almost always accompanied by dust on some level.

Oh, and as for Meguiar's buying 3D? Someone hasn't been studying up....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_GxXRbSFDg]The Facts Of Life Intro - YouTube[/video]

 

[hernandez.art13]

I am still surprised to learn that so many seek the less dust option.

For a longer working time, it makes sense. But not as much for clean up, IMO.

I always hear how 105 dusts so much, yet I find it to be a very easy product to use. With minimal dust.

I am going to get me some M100 and toy with that. I feel like wet sanding something lol. Anybody have a repaint that they want sanded, buff, polished and sealed?

 

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

I heard Megs bought out 3D. Can any1 confirm this?

Meguiar's DID NOT buy out 3D.

Las Vegas Car Care (local distributer of Meguiar's products) bought out the 3D store off highway 15 and Cheyenne. LVCC decided to keep the 3D products on the shelf and sell alongside the Meguiar's products as many people in the area are still using 3D.

Talk with Rodney at LVCC for further clarification.

 

[stilltipping3]

Im.sorry,.I meant 3M

 

[VISITOR]

NEWS RELEASE - 3M to Acquire Meguiar's, Inc.

NEWS RELEASE - 3M to Acquire Meguiar's, Inc.


ST. PAUL, Minn., Sep 08, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- 3M announced today it has entered into an agreement to acquire Meguiar's Inc., the 100-year-old family business that manufactures the leading Meguiar's brand of car care products for cleaning and protecting automotive surfaces. Terms of the transaction were not disclosed.

Meguiar's brings its renowned products and proud history--from its beginnings providing Mirror Glaze polishes and waxes for professional use to today's top-of-the-line products for everyone dedicated to maintaining a brilliant finish on their vehicles--to 3M's range of automotive aftermarket products. Meguiar's products include waxes, polishes, cleaners, conditioners and protectants for the automotive and marine markets.

"The addition of Meguiar's builds on our professional offering for the automotive industry and brings the expertise of Barry Meguiar in the growing enthusiast market for car care products," said Ian Hardgrove, vice president, 3M Automotive Aftermarket Division. "Together, Meguiar's and 3M will collaborate to deliver even more innovative high performance products for enthusiasts around the world."

Car enthusiasts know Meguiar's not only for its products but also for its presence at thousands of car shows across the country featuring every type of collector car from hot rods and muscle cars to exotic sports cars to vintage classics. Through Meguiar's internationally syndicated, multimedia broadcasting network, people with a passion for cars can experience major automotive events and the latest collector car hobby news.

"Combining with 3M will greatly enhance our ability to serve and support Car Crazy people on a global basis," said Barry Meguiar, president and CEO, Meguiar's Inc. "We are excited about the opportunity to grow our business by joining forces with one of the world's great global companies--working together to increase our support of the car hobby worldwide."

3M's Automotive Aftermarket Division provides a comprehensive line of 3M products for auto body repair professionals and auto enthusiasts. Products include abrasives and accessories, performance cleaning products, waxes, masking tapes, panel bonding adhesives, general adhesives coatings and sealers, paint finishing polishes and compounds, and paint application systems. Complementary acquisitions such as this support 3M's growth strategy to strengthen its core businesses and expand into adjacent markets.
Meguiar's is headquartered in Irvine, Calif., and employs approximately 115 people. The transaction is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter subject to customary closing conditions, including regulatory approvals.
Sawaya Segalas & Co., LLC acted as exclusive financial advisor to Meguiar's Inc.

About Meguiar's Inc.
For over 100 years, Meguiar's Inc. has been providing Car Crazy people with specialized state-of-the-art formulations for making the appearance of cars "show car perfect." Chosen by 20 out of 24 "Best of Class" winners at the 2008 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance, Meguiar's provides highly specialized products for every automotive surface, including paint, wheels, tires, and interiors. As part of its passionate support for the car hobby, Meguiar's sponsors more than 11,000 car shows globally and produces Meguiar's Car Crazy Television and Radio that represent car enthusiasts worldwide.

About 3M
A recognized leader in research and development, 3M produces thousands of innovative products for dozens of diverse markets. 3M's core strength is applying its more than 40 distinct technology platforms -- often in combination -- to a wide array of customer needs. With $24 billion in sales, 3M employs 79,000 people worldwide and has operations in more than 60 countries. For more information, visit 3M Global Gateway Page.

_________________________________________________________________

Here are a few points to take away from this announcement...

- Barry Meguiar will continue to lead the company with his PASSION and the legacy of Meguiar’s will continue with even more support for the car hobby & car enthusiast.

- We take our responsibility to the industry very seriously and want to assure you that 3M enthusiastically shares our passion and commitment to innovation, quality and service.

- Our plan moving forward is to continue to support you as we have in the past by providing the same high quality products and service you’ve come to expect.

- Together, Meguiar’s and 3M will deliver a more complete product offering to auto enthusiast, car detailing and professional markets.

- We are excited about our future and look forward to continuing to serve you.

Mike Pennington

***taken from MOL***
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[goodinblack]

Im.sorry,.I meant 3M

Really?

Lpl

 

[stilltipping3]

yup yup

 

[SON1C]

No sweat, not lookng for trouble... :bat:

Just interested to talk about things like this. Sometimes a simple statement can lead into a really great discussion!

There's so many ways to extend or shorten the length of a buffing cycle. If we're on the same page here, you are basically wanting an increase in the amount of time that one application of a buffing liquid can be used?

In addition, you don't want dust, or you believe that the compound you were using dusted too much?

:xyxthumbs:
I seek a longer working time, especially since I do a lot of work outdoors and in some partial sunlight (previously I would be caught in full sunlight at times) which is a big reason why when I was developing my first wax that I ensured it could be applied in the direct sunlight onto black panels.

In my utopia I would be buffing with zero dust! I know that there will always be some dust. However with compounds like wolfgang uber, and v32 I receive a third or so of the dust I do with say m105 and m101 (granted m101 ---I call 105 2.0 -- is huge step above 105 imo and much more user friendly with great cut, I've also used the pre-voc 101 from overseas and we found that to be above the voc complaint 101 in terms of workability and cut). I receive minimal dust from d300 and hd cut. Please do not think I'm a meg's hater as I am certainly not and stock many products by them, I buy m205 by the gallon!

Also 105 is awful to clean up if you let it dry, it's just not user friendly.

I've also been able to cut down on dust since I've been using more microfiber pads as opposed to foam

 

[Nick McKees37]

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