Meguiars No 7

Hmm...back in the days when the bottles were clear, my #7 was a distinctly different color from #5...you're telling me that was just happenstance? I only ever had one bottle of #5 and only one clear bottle of #7 so I just presumed that the brownish color was normal for #7 and that bluish color was normal for #5.

BTW the #5 separated out into oil and chewing gum a couple of years ago so I threw it out...

You are correct, the blueish color is correct for M05 and the brown/green/khaki

I have a cylinder bottle of M05 from the 1960's and it somehow formed a ball in the bottle...

There's reasons the color changes... from year to year, it's natural.



Can #7 be used for the jeweling process? I'll be playing with my truck this weekend and wanted to try out jeweling. From what I've read you need to use a light polish with a soft pad (I've got LC reds and the new softer golds that I want to try) as the last step prior to LSP. I think I can get #7 locally but if not would #82 work?

Jeweling usually requires something with some level of cut as you're working out the very finest remaining defects to create a perfect finish. M07 is non-abrasive.

I like to remind people that it's not just the product that is a factor in any polishing process it's also the things I listed in this article.

Factors that affect how aggressive or non-aggressive a product is...



So theoretically you could use a non-abrasive product with an abrasive pad, i.e. a very low cut abrasive pad and the pad would be the component that helped to refine the finish by removing fine defects and I believe this will work with malleable or soft single stage paints from the old days but I don't think it would work very well with modern clear coats, you would be better off with a modern fine polish.

There's supposed to be a 1954 Corvette here today with a single stage red paint job, if it shows up and needs polishing we'll evaluate the condition of the finish and maybe it will be a good candidate for jeweling or final polishing... then a coat of 7 and then a coat of Souveran Paste...




From this thread,

Some Vintage Meguiar's Products from my Collection (Lots of pictures)


Pre-cursors to M07
This is just a guess on my part because the people that would know the answers are no longer with us... that said, it's my guess this was a pre-cursor to the M07 product if not the M07 product. Note the art deco design of the first bottle...

Here's a collection of 4 old Mirror Bright products from between the 1920' and 1940's
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M07 Sealer Reseal Glaze --> Show Car Glaze
I posted these pictures recently to another related thread and thought I would share them here just to give people reading this a picture or anchor in their mind as to just how old the M07 formula is, it's been around since the Model-T. The glass bottle is post-WWII, a glass bottle with the Mirror Bright wording on the label would be pre-WWII

Sometimes I remind people that these products were around before plastic was invented, thus the glass bottles. The "cylinder" bottle you see below, just to the right of the glass bottle was the first plastic bottles to be introduced I think in the late 1950's, maybe early 1960's.
The third bottle from the left is a clear plastic bottle when they switched to the current style of bottles and is from the 1970's

The 4th bottle from the right shows when they changed the name from Sealer Reseal Glaze to Show Car Glaze primarily because as our lingo changed in the car appearance world, people were confusing "Sealer" with "Sealant" and M07 is water-soluble, hopefully everyone reading this can see why that kind of confusion could be a problem in the enthusiast or consumer market.

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M05 New Car Glaze
M05 came out in the late 1950's after acrylic lacquer was introduced. The name has caused a lot of confusion over the decades because the name says "New Car" and people with brand new cars no matter what the era think this means it's a product for their car. Fact is, it came out as a product originally specific to single stage paints. It is like M07 except that it dries very fast and turns white when it dries whereas M07 doesn't really dry and remains clearish. M05 is also very powdery as you remove the residue. It is able to give you M07 results but easier to remove in a high-humidity climate due to the drying characteristic.

M05NewCarGlaze001.jpg


M05NewCarGlaze002.jpg




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I have a cylinder bottle of M05 from the 1960's and it somehow formed a ball in the bottle...

Mine that did that was also in the cylindrical bottle, but I got mine in the early '80's...but my bottle of #7 was in the flat clear plastic bottle--I got them around the same time, I guess I didn't realize they were different vintage I just assumed the packaging was different for different products. It appears from your bottle timeline my #5 had been on the shelf for a while.
 
Darn.. I bought this for my new Tacoma thinking it was the right product for the job, but it only makes sense to use on single stage paints? Figures :( What would be a good alternative, something also to remove VERY slight swirls?
 
So no.7 is only good for single stage paints and not clear coats?
 
So no.7 is only good for single stage paints and not clear coats?

Oh boy, didn't we have this discussion about a hunnert times over at the other place? Plenty of people use it with clearcoat as well, but the most benefit seems to be on SS. Of course, Mike P. will give the definitive answer on this.
 
Thanks Setec. I still can't get Autopia to come up on my work computer. It is a shame. Lots of good friends over there also.

Oh boy, didn't we have this discussion about a hunnert times over at the other place? Plenty of people use it with clearcoat as well, but the most benefit seems to be on SS. Of course, Mike P. will give the definitive answer on this.
 
It appears from your bottle timeline my #5 had been on the shelf for a while.

Treasure hidden in plain sight...



Darn.. I bought this for my new Tacoma thinking it was the right product for the job, but it only makes sense to use on single stage paints? Figures :( What would be a good alternative, something also to remove VERY slight swirls?

Common mistake, I can't tell you how many people I've met in my life that bought #7 because the guy behind the counter told them it was either a swirl remover or a wax and it's neither. The fact that it's water soluble means it will pretty much wash off after just a few washes or exposure to inclimate weather. The idea is to apply the product then apply wax over it to seal in the depth and richness of color.

No bonding issues worthy of concern for 80 or 90 years now...

So no.7 is only good for single stage paints and not clear coats?

You can use it on clear coats and a lot of guys love the way it makes the paint look wet and glossy... the problem is that today's modern waxes and paint sealant formulas can create the same look and they will hold up over time because they're waxes and/or paint sealants.

#7 has the nickname of "Queen for a day" (or weekend for a car show), because it imparts a deep, wet shine but it offers no lasting characteristics... it's not supposed too, that's not the type of product it is.

It can be applied to brand new fresh paint as a glaze, we're talking a day old and it won't interfere with any outgassing because it's not a sealant.

I'll show you what I mean later today as I have some brand new paint on our demo hoods that was sprayed Wednesday night, that's less than 48 hours ago.


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Thanks Mike! I figure since I bought it, i'll throw it on and throw WG DGPS over it.

Any recommendations for an OTC polish to remove slight swirls by hand? Since I just ordered this stuff from you guys, I wasn't lookin to order more (and pay more shipping) just to get 1 bottle of polish :)
 
I love the shine Megs #7 gives on repainted panels(while they are curing)

My car does have a repainted panel and I use Megs #7 on it while I seal/wax the rest of the car so that the gloss matches and that panel doesn't stand out.

It works great! only downside is, frequent applications to maintain that gloss!(but who doesn't love working on their car! :D)
 
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