Melted CCS Pads? Thoughts?

[Vegas Transplant]

Hello fellow AG'ers. This weekend I finally got around to doing a full detail on my 2011 Dodge Charger R/T. Over the last 12 months it's gotten more than a few swirls. Here's why.

1.. It's black. Dear Lord I'll never buy another black car. Moving on.....
2. It sits outside 24x7. I have a nice driveway to work in. But no garage.
3. I commute in the DC Metro area, so I'm frequently driving through construction zones filled with dust and rocks, etc.
4. As a n00b in the detailing world last year I was over-committed to keep the car clean on a daily basis. I went overboard with trying to keep it clean with QD and microfiber wipe downs. I'm sure I put some of the swirls in there myself.
5. Did I mention it's black.

Anyway, on to the pads.

After a 2 bucket wash, clay, and tape, I began the detail from the top down.

I used a product I've never tried before Megs D151. It's advertised as an AIO with an ability to get out swirls and polish down nicely and protect all at the same time.

I used a CCS Orange pad and D151 on the roof and the trunk. Then I switched off to a new (as in brand new, never used) CCS orange pad and did the drivers side of the car.

I used a speed of 6 on my Griots Garage DA polisher during this whole process.

When I pulled off the second pad the center of the pad had melted away and bits of the melted Velcro were on the backing plate! See pics for the melted pads.

I thought maybe I just kept the pad on too long and tried a second new pad. After one panel - same thing. Melted pad. All in all I melted the center of three CCS orange pads.

Why did this happen? Was a speed of 6 just too much for the pads? The GG DA is a year old, but it's only been used over the course of three weekends since I bought it. Could a combo of the orange pads, D151, and GG DA at speed 6 cause some sort of heat build up?

Anyway, your thoughts are appreciated.

And to finish up the swirl removal story, D151 and the orange pads only got out about 75-80% of the swirls. Good for a daily driver, but I see a few swirls remaining on the hood and trunk I'll go back and hit with a dedicated swirl remover such as Wolfgangs TSW or Megs 105/205.

And despite the claim of protection from D151 by itself, I couldn't help breaking out old reliable - Collinite 845 for the final topping. Sorry, no pics of the car, but check out the pads!

Edit: If I am assuming correctly, What side of car was sun positioned when pad failed?

That's a lot of real estate:
at speed 6,
in the sun,
on black paint,
on one foam pad.

The heat build-up is the culprit.

 

[crxman2010]

Most interesting. I too have used these (CCS) pads before and never had issues. I guess it's just my own learning curve and knowing when a pad is too saturated. And learning about how much pressure to apply to the DA. I didn't think I was going overboard, but the melted pads speak for themselves.

Thanks for posting the pic.

I have only used 4" CCS pads with my machine, this damage was done using MF pads.

 

[primo spaghetti]

i ve had the samethin happen only once to me on an orange lc pad...however, the velcro backing just half way delaminated from the foam pad...

not just saying, but saying is all..

 

[DaVinciAutoSpa]

I can second the velcro backing coming off the CCS pads. Really disappointing.

 

[Old Pirate]

Based on your pictures it really appears as though you had generated to much heat causing this problem.

Agreed

this is incredible!!! does this happen often to these pads?

No

No. It is normally due to to much heat, product soaking into the pad, and improper cleaning / use.

This happens to alot of folks over the year's.

Looks to me like you "burned" the pads up with the GG polisher at speed 6. Maybe AG will give you a break and send you some replacements. Tough break either way.

Did you start on speed 6, and kept it there the whole time? and did you try to call Customer Service and talk to someone there about this?

That is definitely caused by too much product in the pad and extreme pressure on the pad for it to burn and melt like that. That is not a manufacturing defect.

It looks like the problem.