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Cant say that I did, but there is several other people that have it figured out also, you should be the one to take notes.
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No thanks, if I have any problems I've always called the manufacturer. All my finishes come out flawless, so I still don't see why your shooting back these childish comments... Grow up old man!
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I am sure all of them have, right. As far as childish comments, I dont think so, seems like you are taking them to heart, seems like the truth hurts otherwise you would not be getting so bitter, once again good luck on trying to polish vehicles correctly.
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If you think your posts bother me, then your ego must be the size of Texas
ONCE AGAIN no luck needed!
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Sure they do or you wouldnt respond to them. No ego involved, and as far pics go i have put a few on here and that is all is needed. I dont believe in pics on internet, can be played with so easy. As far as yours, just by your write ups the pictures dont match. Plus your are so easy to get going its not even funny, keep replying, I'm bored.
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I appreciate the responses everyone!
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* I agree with all of these points you made. I think the biggest factor is that the flat orange LC pad was old and had lost its full cutting ability. I have some 5" LC orange flat pads that are brand new. I am so curious about this I am going to order a backing plate for them and see what results one produces with SIP. I definately think the new Orange pads may have more cut.
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Asphalt- if you have the time (boredom) would you mind sharing your techniques when you use Menzerna? I tried asking if you would be able to create a new thread, from this post http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...t-content-menzerna-polishes-2.html#post155990 but I don't think anything came from that. Once again in this thread you are talking like you have 'mastered' the technique to use Menzerna yet you fail to mention what exactly that technique is... I personally think it would benefit all if you would share, since Menzerna is quite confusing and finiky to work with.
Also, TOGWT states that Menzerna products are pad dependent... Using a light cut or polishing pad with 106ff to remove more defects isn't the end of the world. Sure the gloss will be reduced a little but more swirls will be removed with little to no micromarring left behind. I personally prefer 106ff over any other Menz polish and if I can remove swirls with a light cut pad and be very close to LSP ready, you can bet I'll be using 106ff. At least that is my thinking when using it with a PC or UDM. With a rotary I can see where 106ff should be used with softer pads...
Also, TOGWT states that Menzerna products are pad dependent... Using a light cut or polishing pad with 106ff to remove more defects isn't the end of the world. Sure the gloss will be reduced a little but more swirls will be removed with little to no micromarring left behind. I personally prefer 106ff over any other Menz polish and if I can remove swirls with a light cut pad and be very close to LSP ready, you can bet I'll be using 106ff. At least that is my thinking when using it with a PC or UDM. With a rotary I can see where 106ff should be used with softer pads...
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Certain individuals reactions to people posting how to use Menzerna is so negative that theres no point for him to spend the time making a thread sharing his technique here. Some of us have spent a lot of time researching and trying different ways of doing things. To spoon feed that information to certain people who dont appreciate it would be a waste. I dont think anyone wants to take the time to try and help others that dont appreciate it. There are several people who do appreciate it, and those people have sent PM's. Thats just my opinion anyways.
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It was worth a shot asking... I'm not sure who you are talking about spoon feeding and not being appreciative but I'm sure the majority of people would appreciate it -- look at TOGWTs posts, everyone benefits from posts like those. A lot of research and practice needed to go into those postings and he was willing to share with everyone. The same is true with the other stickies in the forum- killrs step by step on his Vette for example.
Everyone has a different personality but if I thought I had something that could be beneficial to others I'd definitely post it, as I have in the past. But since I haven't 'mastered' Menzerna polishes and since it's the middle of winter, I'm trying to research the best techniques to use with Menzerna to put into play in the spring time. I know that it is easier to learn new things by working with products rather than reading about it but that isn't possible for everyone. And it isn't about me being lazy, it's trying to get some good info in one place for everyone to see & learn from, if Asphalt or others are willing. If not, no problem.
Everyone has a different personality but if I thought I had something that could be beneficial to others I'd definitely post it, as I have in the past. But since I haven't 'mastered' Menzerna polishes and since it's the middle of winter, I'm trying to research the best techniques to use with Menzerna to put into play in the spring time. I know that it is easier to learn new things by working with products rather than reading about it but that isn't possible for everyone. And it isn't about me being lazy, it's trying to get some good info in one place for everyone to see & learn from, if Asphalt or others are willing. If not, no problem.
I'm still a little green when it comes down to all of Menz products, particukarly the 106FF I've never been able to get the desire paint correction using a different pad combos. It does finish great
With my PO85RD I have no problems; I've used both polishing pads and finishing pads mostly and gotten great results
With my PO85RD3.02 I feel I have come to getting it down pat. I use my CCS Orange pad and PC with awesome results. The way I've been doing is start high @ PC-5.5/6 and then a last slow pass at PC4.5/5
Lots of patience...
With my PO85RD I have no problems; I've used both polishing pads and finishing pads mostly and gotten great results
With my PO85RD3.02 I feel I have come to getting it down pat. I use my CCS Orange pad and PC with awesome results. The way I've been doing is start high @ PC-5.5/6 and then a last slow pass at PC4.5/5
Lots of patience...
Well I dont want to start crap, so Im not going to mention names, but they know who they are. Ive tried offering info about Menzerna, but it is usually shot down, so Ive given up on doing that here. People who want the info have PMed me and are being helped out by myself and several others (Dana, Todd, Brian, Ryan, etc.). And no, Im not saying Im an expert with it because Im not. Everyone should be learning during every detail. If you arent then something is wrong. But it also depends on who the info is coming from, everyone knows that.
Believe me, Im all for helping the people that want it and are thankful for it. I dont have over 2,000 posts of BS, 99.9% of them are helping others out. The only reason Im still here is to help out others. Not to promote certain products, show off, or anything like that.
Believe me, Im all for helping the people that want it and are thankful for it. I dont have over 2,000 posts of BS, 99.9% of them are helping others out. The only reason Im still here is to help out others. Not to promote certain products, show off, or anything like that.
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These diminishing abrasive polishes are foam pad ‘dependant’ as far as its paint correction / renovation abilities are concerned and require friction to ‘breakdown’ and for this reason they are best suited to a high-speed rotary polisher; remember to use the least invasive product first before ‘stepping-up’ to the next abrasive level. It is preferable to polish 2-3 times to restore the paint film surface than to use an unnecessarily abrasive polish / foam combination The use of a duel level foam pad / single polish correction system; will change the way each polish works in accordance to which pad you use (i.e. use a polishing pad followed by a finishing pad) and will really heighten the paint finish shine.
They appear to work better when the foam pad is ‘primed’ a very slightly distilled water dampened foam; do not use a quick detailer (QD) as most are formulated with either a wax or a polymer; however they are not easily adaptable to a spray formula.
To be efficient they need to be emulsified to work as a spray, to facilitate this they need to use an emulsion of silicone oils and water. The wax will reduce the friction heat, negatively impacting the diminishing abrasives; silicon-based products can also have a negative effect on the surface / polish lubrication oils used by Menzerna causing surface smearing.
Nano Polish (106FF) Finishing 22865 - will remove 2500 grit, for light surface marring and / or surface finishing, cut 2.5 - gloss 5.0 This polish is formulated with very finely milled micro diminishing abrasives so they don’t require much friction to ‘breakdown’ and won’t cause surface marring, for LSP ready use a primed White polishing (softer less dense foam (70 PPI) with a light abrasive cutting action) followed by a Blue finishing (very soft 100 PPI) LC CCS foam pad - 1100 RPM
Random Orbital Buffer-- This polish is formulated with very finely milled micro diminishing abrasives so they don’t require much friction to ‘breakdown’
To Finesse the finish even more use PO85RD3.02 with a Blue Final finishing (closed-cell 100 PPI) LC CCS foam pad - 1100 RPM
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