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As the title suggests, I'm looking for some feedback/"IMO's" about wolfgang vs. menzerna.
I recently replied in the "Wolfgang 4 Thread" ( The Wolfgang Four ), with some questions, but maybe more of you will see this since its a new thread.

Quoting myself from my question blurb in that thread,
"veryone hailing the Wolfgang 4...how do you think it compares to Menzerna? I've expanded my detailing-product base in about every arena besides polishes..and I'm trying to move away from Poorboys SSR..not that it's a bad line, I'd just like something more fit to my bmw schwarz black paint, more versatile for when doing the occasional clients' car...(+)'s/(-)'s of both?

When are each products "best" used? Ie for what condition paint, what temperatures, what are the working times of each and range of polishing ability? etc etc...

For more about my specific situation: Cost is a factor, I don't usually work in a garage, so that's another factor...most of the cars I do on the side for family/friends/ friends of friends are one-steps.

As far as my own car, I want to perfect it to near show-car shine, but I probably wont be using all of the polishes all the time... Right now I only had time to polish mine with ssr3 and opti-seal it b/c of school/work etc. But I will need to polish it fully before coating with PBL.

I may have time to clean out our garage as its not really messy, but we have a garage door problem, stick a space heater in and polish&coat it there if need be... I feel like the menz line's numbering is confusing, but their products seem top-notch.

Wolfgang on the other hand seems great also, but I don't know as much about their stuff. Any insight? Thank you in advance Also, thanks for putting up with my loquaciousness...sometimes I am a bit too talkative, but after all, for me, "its in the details" so asking all of the right questions and weighing all options/variables is important."

As far as Menzerna goes I was thinking of the...Menzerna Power Gloss, Power Finish & Super Finish Bundle, the menzerna intro kit, or the FG400 followed by SF4000 (or maybe anoter followup to fg400, not sure)...

if I were to go for the WG I'd probably get the first 3 of the "wolfgang 4"... bmw paint from '98 would not be ceramic, correct?

Also, after reading "Are they the same? Menzerna SIP & WGTSR" It seems that Wolfgang kind of embodies the best of both Menzerna and Wolfgang technologies...is this the case for all Wolfgang products, or just WGTSR?

Thanks!!

-Ian
 
I am a bmw guy with 3 of them M6, 3 series coupe, and a convertible. I use both product but the m4500 seams to leave a better shine imo. I follow up with wg paint sealant. 3 series seems to have soft paint where as the m6 seems to be a little harder. Either way you can go wrong imo.

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If you research has enough on the forum here. You will find out that Menzerna makes the Wolfgang polish line for pbmg. Do not get power gloss it dust very badly go with fg400 or Wolfgang user compound instead. User compound suppose to fg400 with some extra tweaks.


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If I were running a business I would probably go with Menzerna for cost effectiveness alone. That being said I LOVE Wolfgang for the few vehicles I maintain.
 
You cant go wrong with either line. Both perform very well and I prefer these two companies over all else on my Jet Black BMW's.

If you go with Menzerna, pick up FG400 over PG1000. FG400 cuts better and finishes nicer without all the dusting normally associated with a compound.
 
itsinthedetails said:
As far as Menzerna goes I was thinking of the...Menzerna Power Gloss, Power Finish & Super Finish Bundle, the Menzerna intro kit, or the FG400 followed by SF4000 (or maybe another followup to fg400, not sure)...

if I were to go for the WG I'd probably get the first 3 of the "wolfgang 4"...
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You can't go wrong with either brand as they both use some of the best abrasive technology on the market today.

When working on paints that are scratch-sensitive, the most important factor as it relates to getting the best results comes down first to the abrasive technology.



itsinthedetails said:
bmw paint from '98 would not be ceramic, correct?
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PPG's Ceramiclear paint system was introduced in 2002. With any paint system however it's really best to always follow the best practice of,


"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"



By using the least aggressive product to get the job done you,

A: Get the job done. :D

B: Leave the most paint on the car.


:)
 
harrell51 said:
I am a bmw guy with 3 of them M6, 3 series coupe, and a convertible. I use both product but the m4500 seams to leave a better shine imo. I follow up with wg paint sealant. 3 series seems to have soft paint where as the m6 seems to be a little harder. Either way you can go wrong imo.

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Thanks! my e36 paint seems very hard compared to what my '97 Accord's was, but maybe it's soft compared to M3 paint. I worked on x5 black paint once, but it was very lightly swirled. I believe I used xmt 360 for that with good results. That paint seemed hard too.

ww2717 said:
If you research has enough on the forum here. You will find out that Menzerna makes the Wolfgang polish line for pbmg. Do not get power gloss it dust very badly go with fg400 or Wolfgang user compound instead. User compound suppose to fg400 with some extra tweaks.


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Thanks, yeah I looked around a bit but I wasn't sure if it was all WG or only some WG. Okay, thanks for that tip. I may go for the uber. ACTUALLY my subconscious must've been thinking ahead of my conscious b/c I ordered a sample of Uber with my last order so I'll have to test it out!

spiralout462 said:
If I were running a business I would probably go with Menzerna for cost effectiveness alone. That being said I LOVE Wolfgang for the few vehicles I maintain.
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I just detail on the side once and awhile so it's not actually a business per sé, just extra income/fun for me. In any case thanks for the input!

smack said:
You cant go wrong with either line. Both perform very well and I prefer these two companies over all else on my Jet Black BMW's.

If you go with Menzerna, pick up FG400 over PG1000. FG400 cuts better and finishes nicer without all the dusting normally associated with a compound.
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Thank you, it seems I'm going to get either the FG400/Uber. I have to see how much I like the uber sample first.

Just02896 said:
:whs:

:whs:

Here is a car that I used FG400, SF4000, and then a coat of liquid sovereign.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/74036-1997-toyota-supra.html
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Thank you! I actually looked at this thread before and it is what piqued my interest in FG400.
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
You can't go wrong with either brand as they both use some of the best abrasive technology on the market today.

When working on paints that are scratch-sensitive, the most important factor as it relates to getting the best results comes down first to the abrasive technology.





PPG's Ceramiclear paint system was introduced in 2002. With any paint system however it's really best to always follow the best practice of,


"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"



By using the least aggressive product to get the job done you,

A: Get the job done. :D

B: Leave the most paint on the car.


:)
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2002, okay thank you! I'm sure both products yield great results and I know technique is probably the most important thing next to good quality (and again, I know menz and WG are both good quality) I was just trying to figure out what people think of the two and get a consensus for a) specifically, my car's paint (as it's new to me) and b0 versatility and price equilibrium for when I need to get good results on the occasional customer's car as well.

I will try my WG uber sample over break first and if I like it, I'll probably use the first 3 of the WG 4. I may wind up ordering fg400 to compare and use that if it does as well as uber since its a smidge cheaper. Thanks again for your help Mike, and everyone else for that matter. I think all my questions have for the most part been answered:xyxthumbs:
 
Okay..so one more question...looked at the polishes comparo chart which is a bit dated at this point... but mikes thread on menzerna is helping a bit. If fg400 is comparable in grit to Uber, what are comparible to total swirl remover and finishing glaze in grit? Would finishing glaze be same as m4500? (is m4500 sf4500?) Would IP2000 be comparible to total swirl remover? Lastly, it seems fg400 and/or uber usually finish off lsp ready..should i even bother to get a medium grade polish to start with? It seems that with today's technology, the gap between polishes/compounds and their finishing technology is ever-diminishing (just like the abrasives, and the swirls for that matter :P).
 
itsinthedetails said:
Okay..so one more question...looked at the polishes comparo chart which is a bit dated at this point... but mikes thread on menzerna is helping a bit. If fg400 is comparable in grit to Uber, what are comparible to total swirl remover and finishing glaze in grit? Would finishing glaze be same as m4500? (is m4500 sf4500?) Would IP2000 be comparible to total swirl remover? Lastly, it seems fg400 and/or uber usually finish off lsp ready..should i even bother to get a medium grade polish to start with? It seems that with today's technology, the gap between polishes/compounds and their finishing technology is ever-diminishing (just like the abrasives, and the swirls for that matter :P).
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I have heard that Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is more comparable to SF4000. I agree that todays abrasive technology is making a medium cut polish kind of obsolete. I use the Wolfgang trio of polishes for almost all of my needs and have no intentions to switch right now.
 
spiralout462 said:
I have heard that Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is more comparable to SF4000. I agree that todays abrasive technology is making a medium cut polish kind of obsolete. I use the Wolfgang trio of polishes for almost all of my needs and have no intentions to switch right now.
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Ok. Thank you.
 
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