Menzerna and Wolfgang?

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Mike,
A few quick questions:
I have heard a lot about how good the Menzerna 4500 is, (I think it is now called 3800 correct?)
I have the Wolfgang total swirl remover 3.0, would the Menzerna 4500 (or 3800) be a good follow up?
Which Menzerna product should be used BEFORE the Menzerna 4500?
After using the Menzerna 4500 can I immediately apply a sealer i.e. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant?

My cars look so good and stay so clean
with these products and your tutoring.
thanks for your help,
Joe
 
I understand you're asking Mike for his expertise here but in the meantime i can offer what i know. I believe the Wolfgang TSR is made by Menzerna and i thought it to be a mid level polish. Based on that it would make sense to me to follow it up with 4500 (3800). As far as what to use before 4500 that's hard to say because it is always based on what you are trying to accomplish with the paint in front of you. I use Menzerna FG400 on hacked up harder paint then followed by my final polishes (3000, 3500, 3800), then sealed. If TSR is, say, the equivalent of Menz 2500 (just a guess), it makes sense to see if you can extract any more bounce to the shine with a Menz final polish like 4500 but i always do a test spot to see if any improvements can be made. If not? Don't waste the effort.

I would say, yes, a sealer applied directly after a final polish with 4500 (3800) is perfectly fine. I like to wipe down the paint with Car Pro Eraser or an equivalent product to make sure the paint is thoroughly cleaned of any residual polish residue. I always want my sealant of choice to stick to clean paint.
 
You may want to go with WG Finishing Glaze, which is a final polish, though the name is misleading.
 
Hey Puckman,
Appreciate your response, I had not used this area of the forum and did not realize it was for all to respond to, so thanks for enlightening me on that too.
I am new at this so I was thinking that the polishes needed to be used in order much like sand paper-thus in your example I was thinking you may have to follow up the FG400 polish with 3000 polish and then follow up the 3000 with the 3500 polish and on up to the 4500. Now I think all that is necessary is to use the polish that is strong enough to get the scratches out followed by final polish like the 4500 (3800). So which of my thinking(s) are correct.
I am a bit confused on this subject obviously!!-LOL
thanks again for your advice.
Joe
 
custmsprty said:
You may want to go with WG Finishing Glaze, which is a final polish, though the name is misleading.
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Thanks Custmsprty, that is what I used on my wife's Mazda it looks great - many on line detailers always seem to mention Menzerna and in Mike's book he specifically mentions Menzerna 4500 so was looking to see if they were compatible. I still have a lot of the WG Total Swirl Remover but no more WG Finishing Glaze. thought a good time to try something new.
Best,
Joe
 
Joe, i would suggest that if you used the Wolfgang TSR and have the Menzerna 4500 polish, try a test spot of 4500 on an area you used the TSR on and see if you can see any improvement in the finish. Basically, does 4500 improve anything left behind by the Wolfgang TSR? If not, you're done and can apply your sealant after being happy with the final finish of the TSR. If the extra step of 4500 yields an improvement to your eyes then you can do the rest of the vehicle and then seal it up.

To summarize my approach, use only what gets you what you are satisfied with as to the final desired appearance on what you are trying to do. Yes, i like your analogy of reducing sandpaper grits but that approach is to remove or reduce what the previous grit left behind. I have used Wlfgang's TSR myself and depending on the paint, pad and machine that product alone has worked out to be enough. There have been times that i refine the gloss and clarity even more with a finer Menzerna polish after TSR but it's my eyes that tell me "that's as good as i can get this paint". And let your test spot tell you that before you do the entire vehicle.

Good luck, Joe, and enjoy what is for me the most enjoyable part of all this stuff...jewelling paint!
 
Puckman said:
Joe, i would suggest that if you used the Wolfgang TSR and have the Menzerna 4500 polish, try a test spot of 4500 on an area you used the TSR on and see if you can see any improvement in the finish. Basically, does 4500 improve anything left behind by the Wolfgang TSR? If not, you're done and can apply your sealant after being happy with the final finish of the TSR. If the extra step of 4500 yields an improvement to your eyes then you can do the rest of the vehicle and then seal it up.

To summarize my approach, use only what gets you what you are satisfied with as to the final desired appearance on what you are trying to do. Yes, i like your analogy of reducing sandpaper grits but that approach is to remove or reduce what the previous grit left behind. I have used Wlfgang's TSR myself and depending on the paint, pad and machine that product alone has worked out to be enough. There have been times that i refine the gloss and clarity even more with a finer Menzerna polish after TSR but it's my eyes that tell me "that's as good as i can get this paint". And let your test spot tell you that before you do the entire vehicle.

Good luck, Joe, and enjoy what is for me the most enjoyable part of all this stuff...jewelling paint!
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Thanks Puckman,
Makes sense!
Best
Joe
 
Puckman said:
Joe, i would suggest that if you used the Wolfgang TSR and have the Menzerna 4500 polish, try a test spot of 4500 on an area you used the TSR on and see if you can see any improvement in the finish. Basically, does 4500 improve anything left behind by the Wolfgang TSR? If not, you're done and can apply your sealant after being happy with the final finish of the TSR. If the extra step of 4500 yields an improvement to your eyes then you can do the rest of the vehicle and then seal it up.

To summarize my approach, use only what gets you what you are satisfied with as to the final desired appearance on what you are trying to do. Yes, i like your analogy of reducing sandpaper grits but that approach is to remove or reduce what the previous grit left behind. I have used Wlfgang's TSR myself and depending on the paint, pad and machine that product alone has worked out to be enough. There have been times that i refine the gloss and clarity even more with a finer Menzerna polish after TSR but it's my eyes that tell me "that's as good as i can get this paint". And let your test spot tell you that before you do the entire vehicle.

Good luck, Joe, and enjoy what is for me the most enjoyable part of all this stuff...jewelling paint!
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This sounds like solid advice. TSR is a pretty versatile polish. Depending on what pad you used for the initial correction, you can switch to a finer finishing pad if you think the finish can be improved further. Good luck!
 
JoeyD said:
Thanks Custmsprty, that is what I used on my wife's Mazda it looks great - many on line detailers always seem to mention Menzerna and in Mike's book he specifically mentions Menzerna 4500 so was looking to see if they were compatible. I still have a lot of the WG Total Swirl Remover but no more WG Finishing Glaze. thought a good time to try something new.
Best,
Joe
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What I like about HD Polish and Adapt, Speed etc are how long the working times are and how easy they are to remove and the results are excellent. I have the entire Menzerna and WG line of polishes and don't use them any more. The HD Polishes are just that good. Once you use it and see how easy it is to work and remove (it's like removing a sealant) I always felt if you worked Menzerna to long or it started dusting it required some elbow grease to remove.
 
custmsprty said:
What I like about HD Polish and Adapt, Speed etc are how long the working times are and how easy they are to remove and the results are excellent. I have the entire Menzerna and WG line of polishes and don't use them any more. The HD Polishes are just that good. Once you use it and see how easy it is to work and remove (it's like removing a sealant) I always felt if you worked Menzerna to long or it started dusting it required some elbow grease to remove.
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I agree about wipe off with Menzerna. I notice that my Rupes, or Megs polishes wipe clean, and I LOVE that!
 
JoeyD said:
Mike,
A few quick questions:
I have heard a lot about how good the Menzerna 4500 is, (I think it is now called 3800 correct?)
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Yes, the product numbers have changed. 4500 is awesome stuff, especially on the right paint. What vehicle are you doing? I began using Menzerma products on my previous Benz which had a ceramic clear coat and now with my Audi. both respond very very well to 4500/3800. The paint process and quality used on these cars really shows.


I have the Wolfgang total swirl remover 3.0, would the Menzerna 4500 (or 3800) be a good follow up?
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Yep, would work fine and finishes very very well.


Which Menzerna product should be used BEFORE the Menzerna 4500?
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No need to use another. 4500/3800 will fine polish the finish just fine.


After using the Menzerna 4500 can I immediately apply a sealer i.e. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant?
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Yes. I typically use Menzerma Powerlock but any good sealer will work. I've not used the Wolfgang noted to provide insight.
 
JoeyD said:
. I still have a lot of the WG Total Swirl Remover but no more WG Finishing Glaze. thought a good time to try something new.
Best,
Joe
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How in the world did you use an entire bottle of WGFG on two cars!


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I've been doing the wife's Cadillac SRX with Wolfgang every year. In fact I noticed some swirls today, so I'm going to give it a full detail tomorrow. I start with Total Swirl Remover, then go to Finishing glaze, which as previously mentioned is actually a fine polish. I've gotten a nice finish with TSR, but Finishing Glaze does make for a little more gloss. Similar to using Menzerna FG400 then going to SF4000 or 4500. Once I use up all my Wolfgang I probably won't re-buy because it's pricey & I get the same results with Menzerna. And I've begun experimenting with HD. I'm getting great results, & it's less costly than Menzerna.
 
AGOatemywallet said:
How in the world did you use an entire bottle of WGFG on two cars!


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Ha no, first have only the 8oz size, this is over the course of about 3yrs 6 cars, have some left but not sure if it will do another car as I was constantly having to hold upside down and shake it to get some out. I have used the FG without having to use the TSR. The FG was very thick compared to the TSR so maybe its gotten a bit dried out?? not sure but it worked great.
thanks
Joe
 
pdqgp said:
Yes, the product numbers have changed. 4500 is awesome stuff, especially on the right paint. What vehicle are you doing? I began using Menzerma products on my previous Benz which had a ceramic clear coat and now with my Audi. both respond very very well to 4500/3800. The paint process and quality used on these cars really shows.
Hey pd,
White pearl Mazda 3, Silver Jag XJ, Cyber Gray Metallic Vette



Yep, would work fine and finishes very very well.




No need to use another. 4500/3800 will fine polish the finish just fine.




Yes. I typically use Menzerma Powerlock but any good sealer will work. I've not used the Wolfgang noted to provide insight.
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I appreciate your responses
thanks,
Joe
 
custmsprty said:
What I like about HD Polish and Adapt, Speed etc are how long the working times are and how easy they are to remove and the results are excellent. I have the entire Menzerna and WG line of polishes and don't use them any more. The HD Polishes are just that good. Once you use it and see how easy it is to work and remove (it's like removing a sealant) I always felt if you worked Menzerna to long or it started dusting it required some elbow grease to remove.
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hey CustmS,
I am looking into that the HD line on the web site.
Another member just mentioned that line is he's looking to try it out.
I may be back with some questions about the specific products.
thanks
Joe
 
JoeyD said:
hey CustmS,
I am looking into that the HD line on the web site.
Another member just mentioned that line is he's looking to try it out.
I may be back with some questions about the specific products.
thanks
Joe
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feel free to drop me a pm anytime
 
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