menzerna fg400 then one-step polish
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Matt@Revive
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i have done it. i use HDcut and and finished with HDspeed. it works just fine as a quick budget 2 step.
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So you think fg400+sf4000 is better?
Matt@Revive
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it depends on what you are after. fg400+sf4000 topped with Power Lock is a killer combo. fg400+3in1 will look great, but the paint protection will not last anywhere near as long as Power Lock or your chioce of sealant.
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It's not a problem of sealant. I'm just trying to understand if the combo will produce a better result than the fg400+sf4000 in terms of quality...
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Matt@landrover
it depends on what you are after. fg400+sf4000 topped with Power Lock is a killer combo. fg400+3in1 will look great, but the paint protection will not last anywhere near as long as Power Lock or your chioce of sealant.
You got a straight answer, don't over think it.
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Matt@landrover
it depends on what you are after. fg400+sf4000 topped with Power Lock is a killer combo. fg400+3in1 will look great, but the paint protection will not last anywhere near as long as Power Lock or your chioce of sealant.
You got a straight answer, don't over think it.
I'm sorry I can't see your straight answer. I'll put a straight question then....
Which one is the best cycle not considering the longevity of the sealant?
1. fg400+sf4000
2. fg400+one step polish 3in1
1 or 2?
EzyBrzy
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here's a chart.
UPDATED 9/2015: Autopia Polish Comparison Chart
sf4000 is a finer polish producing a better finish
Rsurfer
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Number one, btw there is no sealant in SF4000.
FUNX650
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•If the AIO's Sealant component is
to be totally disregarded, then, IMO:
-Following a compound (the FG400) with
an AIO (the 3-n-1) is not a best cycle.
•Therefore...By process of elimination:
-I'm going to select your NO. 1 (fg400+sf4000)
as the best cycle, as it pertains in this scenario.
Bob
I'm surprised no one has mentioned menzerna cut and gloss in one.very nice easy to use product,with superior results.
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What's the new name of this product?
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Yes I know it removes lighter scratches because, as you can see from menzerna's datasheets, sf4000 gives a 10/10 gloss and 3in1 gives a 9/10 gloss...
But are we sure the great gap between fg400 and sf4000 does not leave any medium scratch?
I mean there is some kind of overlapping between fg400 and 3in1, just like there is an overlap in the really precise 4 step cycles. While fg400 gloss is 8 (so it removes a lot of heavy and medium scratches), the sf4000 has a cut of 2 or 3 and the 3in1 has a cut of 5. This could mean that if we use 3in1 after fg400 we are 100% sure we removed every significant scratch of heavy and medium size... I don't know if that's a correct way of thinking but obviously this makes me think that we have a lower probability with sf4000 and that we could leave some medium scratches if we don't work really very well with the two products... An other way to say that is if we make mistakes we surely get a better result with the fg400+3in1 cycle...
Personally, (if I'm considering a 2 step process) I'd love to eliminate medium scratches and swirls instead of dealing with really light scratches to reach a 10/10 gloss...
What do you think?
datasheets:
https://www.menzerna.com/uploads/tx_pxpdownloads/TDS_HCC400_01.pdf
https://www.menzerna.com/uploads/tx_pxpdownloads/TDS_OSP3in1.pdf
https://www.menzerna.com/uploads/tx_pxpdownloads/TDS_SF3800.pdf
But are we sure the great gap between fg400 and sf4000 does not leave any medium scratch?
I mean there is some kind of overlapping between fg400 and 3in1, just like there is an overlap in the really precise 4 step cycles. While fg400 gloss is 8 (so it removes a lot of heavy and medium scratches), the sf4000 has a cut of 2 or 3 and the 3in1 has a cut of 5. This could mean that if we use 3in1 after fg400 we are 100% sure we removed every significant scratch of heavy and medium size... I don't know if that's a correct way of thinking but obviously this makes me think that we have a lower probability with sf4000 and that we could leave some medium scratches if we don't work really very well with the two products... An other way to say that is if we make mistakes we surely get a better result with the fg400+3in1 cycle...
Personally, (if I'm considering a 2 step process) I'd love to eliminate medium scratches and swirls instead of dealing with really light scratches to reach a 10/10 gloss...
What do you think?
datasheets:
https://www.menzerna.com/uploads/tx_pxpdownloads/TDS_HCC400_01.pdf
https://www.menzerna.com/uploads/tx_pxpdownloads/TDS_OSP3in1.pdf
https://www.menzerna.com/uploads/tx_pxpdownloads/TDS_SF3800.pdf
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This is a great scheme to explain better what I mean with overlapping.
You can see the 3in1 covers the entire medium, finish and protection section while the sf4000 covers a little space in the finish section.
You can understand that basically if you use fg400+3in1 you're working twice to remove medium scratches (IMHO really more important than very light scratches to reach 10/10 gloss) and you are really sure you removed them
You can see the 3in1 covers the entire medium, finish and protection section while the sf4000 covers a little space in the finish section.
You can understand that basically if you use fg400+3in1 you're working twice to remove medium scratches (IMHO really more important than very light scratches to reach 10/10 gloss) and you are really sure you removed them
FUNX650
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I'd like to wrap this all up and neatly tie
a bow around it by saying, in a nutshell:
All of your concerns regarding which combination
of Menzerna's "correction fluids" to use for this, or
other detailing projects, can probably be resolved
by first performing the obligatory: "Test Spot".
Bob
dlc95
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I would.
There have been occasions when I used M105 followed by M66. I could see an occasion where I would do the same with Menzerna.
Joe@NextLevelDetail
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You can do it but you are shorting your self of gloss, as 3in1 has more abrasives then sf4000, it will look good. But its not going to beat fg400 and sf4000.
However on some paints , (especially hard clears) 3in1 can look better then sf4000.
But 9 times out of 10 I'm going sf4000
However on some paints , (especially hard clears) 3in1 can look better then sf4000.
But 9 times out of 10 I'm going sf4000
hollerstiltner
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From what I can tell, you're over thinking this. If you use FG400 to remove all the heavy scratches, you will also remove all the medium scratches by default.
View attachment 39745
I hope that pic shows up. If you abrade the paint with a compound going after the ones labeled deep scratches or deeper isolated random scratches, you get the medium ones too. It's the nature of the beast.
After compounding, your concern should not be on much besides polishing to remove any faint marring or defects left by your compound. Enter finish polishes.
Either 3in1 or 4000 or whatever it's new name is will work. However, 3in1 has a gloss of 9 per menzernas chart while 4000 has a gloss of 10.
So, if gloss is your only concern, use 4000(3500 by new labels I think). Finish with any wax you want. Anything, Wolfgang sealant for long lasting protection or sovereign for a short lived beauty wax.
If you want to save a step and can accept slightly less gloss, finish with 3in1. It has a built in sealant so no need to wax after. So instead of waxing after polishing, have a beverage of your choice and admire your work.
Lastly, as Bob said, do a test spot.
Mike@DedicatedPerfection
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For the best looking finish, FG400, SF4000, PL or CL.
For a faster approach but missing out in looks, FG400 then 3n1.