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Well technically, that's exactly what it "can" do, and for the amount of posts I see which use sip and 106 I would guess what it "does" do for many users. Call it what you want, hide,fill, deceive, or whatever you prefer to call it. Trouble is, there is a decent learning curve to making sure that doesn't happen, I am afraid far too many people are not aware of this.
 
Brian_Brice said:
Well technically, that's exactly what it "can" do, and for the amount of posts I see which use sip and 106 I would guess what it "does" do for many users. ... Trouble is, there is a decent learning curve to making sure that doesn't happen, I am afraid far too many people are not aware of this.
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Very likely. Many people are most likely subconciously stopping when they see first perfect gloss and calling it a day as that is what they are supposed to do with other polishes. One of the best tips I have seen posted on use of Menzerna was "right when you think you are done and are about to stop resist the urge and keep on going bit more".

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Call it what you want, hide,fill, deceive, or whatever you prefer to call it.
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I would prefer not to call it "fill" as that term is commonly used to describe different behavior / polish properties and can easily, obviously, lead to miscommunication.
 
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ZoranC said:
That you lucked out this time. Working like a charm that time for you doesn't mean it will work like a charm every single time every where for every one. In your enthusiasm and hapiness statement was made that was generalized and as such it was incorrect.
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Well, your you're correct I was very happy with my results. Seems I was just lucky. I've used it 3 times, and 3 times it's been east to work with and the results have been fantastic. Maybe my statemnet was too general, but my point was to not be affraid to try the stuff just because of any negitive comments you might read. I almost fell into that category, and I'm glad I didn't. It was not my intension to start a debate here. I was merely sharing that I got great results with minimal effort (easy).
 
Bill-SD said:
my point was to not be affraid to try the stuff just because of any negitive comments you might read.
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With that being said it should be noted there are no negative comments on Menzerna. Fact that it can be temperamental is not a negative comment, it is merely an FYI as it works as advertised, and it is good to be fully informed in advance on what that is so there are no future disappointments.

Bill-SD said:
It was not my intension to start a debate here.
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Debate is good when it leads to constructive result. Which also means please reread posts by Brian, D&D and Asphalt as next time you use it you might want to make sure oil pitfall is addressed/avoided.
 
ZoranC said:
Sorry if I was vague, I thought it was obvious what I was trying to say but let me try to clarify it: Menzerna products are being used by quite a many enthusiast and professional out there. Quite a number of them have reported on many boards that Menzerna can be "temperamental" depending on conditions it is used under, that it is sensitive to heat, humidity, etc. Which all makes sense because Menzerna products were developed to be used in controlled environment.

When high number of people that know how to use Menzerna correctly report same after high number of uses under varying conditions then we can say it is pretty much a rule. When few people here and there experience difference that one or two times they tried it that is good for them but can not be used to jump to making generalized statement, it is just an exception to the rule.

I hope this clarifies what I meant to say.
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10/4 loud and clear and I do agree with you as well
 
Brian_Brice said:
Well technically, that's exactly what it "can" do, and for the amount of posts I see which use sip and 106 I would guess what it "does" do for many users. Call it what you want, hide,fill, deceive, or whatever you prefer to call it. Trouble is, there is a decent learning curve to making sure that doesn't happen, I am afraid far too many people are not aware of this.
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I think there are a lot of people out there that dont know how to use it correctly. And there are also people who have heard about it, but dont want to acknowledge it because that means they have to do more work.
 
You know, I have a great deal of respect for you guys and your experience. I do not work as a professional detailer, but I'll venture to say, my skill level is at least equal to the average detailer (been doing this on my own for 8-10 yrs). You guys however, I feel are well above average, which is why I come here for advice. That said, to imply that I'm not using this product correctly because it worked well for me, is just not fair. Again, I was just trying to share a positive experience.
 
Bill-SD said:
That said, to imply that I'm not using this product correctly because it worked well for me, is just not fair.
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If by this you are referring to my sentence that you might watch for oil pitfall then I apologize but it was not meant to imply anything. Emphasis was on word might. Might want as in "if you were not already watching for it".
 
Bill-SD said:
You know, I have a great deal of respect for you guys and your experience. I do not work as a professional detailer, but I'll venture to say, my skill level is at least equal to the average detailer (been doing this on my own for 8-10 yrs). You guys however, I feel are well above average, which is why I come here for advice. That said, to imply that I'm not using this product correctly because it worked well for me, is just not fair. Again, I was just trying to share a positive experience.
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Its clear you aren't understanding what we're saying.
 
Bill-SD said:
You know, I have a great deal of respect for you guys and your experience. I do not work as a professional detailer, but I'll venture to say, my skill level is at least equal to the average detailer (been doing this on my own for 8-10 yrs). You guys however, I feel are well above average, which is why I come here for advice. That said, to imply that I'm not using this product correctly because it worked well for me, is just not fair. Again, I was just trying to share a positive experience.
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Bill, by no means did I suggest "You" used these products improperly. What is important to note is that these products can be used improperly and give off an appearance that would suggest it wasn't.

Not that I think you or anyone questions whether you did or not, I would suggest you do a simple wipe-down test to make sure your paint is what it says it is. These products can fool even the most seasoned of veterans.
 
Brian_Brice said:
Well technically, that's exactly what it "can" do, and for the amount of posts I see which use sip and 106 I would guess what it "does" do for many users. Call it what you want, hide,fill, deceive, or whatever you prefer to call it. Trouble is, there is a decent learning curve to making sure that doesn't happen, I am afraid far too many people are not aware of this.
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I alway appreciate the interest in Menzerna professional products and the discussion regarding use and results. Interesting how an inanimate polish can develop a personality and become like a soap opera actor. Do we really believe that it "hides" or "deceives" when used? I'm sure that someone will correct me and tell me that I'm taking it out of context, but let's not make too much of this or any other polish.

Once again, for the record, Menzerna does not contain fillers. Oil cannot hide defects, but can actually enhance defects. Try washing down your next car with a mineral oil bath and deliver it to your customer and see if they are satisfied with the results of your paint correction! The oil is for lubrication and to reduce the heat generated from polishing.

The products that are being discussed were developed for commercial and industrial applications such as in an automobile assembly plant. The people that are actually using the Menzerna products are hourly factory worker and prefer products that are simple and easy to use that provide fast, assembly-line speed results. The learning curve for these working is quite short even though they generally have experience working with polish. They have NO patience trying to make a product work if it is not performing within 2 minutes. If Menzerna were as finicky as some suggest, you can be sure that the workers would guarantee it to fail on the production line and it would be replaced. Of course, if it were not used correctly, meaning wrong pad, wrong machine, wrong speed, insufficient time, incorrect pressure, etc then it would not provide the expected excellent results. Same goes in the detailing environment.

So to review once again (and I'm sure many times in the future!), no fillers, no deception, no kidding.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Silver
Menzerna USA
 
Jeff,
Thanks for clarifying that Menz does not contain fillers. Can you also confirm that the 106FF that comes in the square bottle is the same exact content that comes in the round bottle? I've seen this argument come up from time to time that they a different.
 
Jeff, thank you for the valuable post!

Just for clarification purposes please let it be noted that whenever I said "temperamental" and "finicky" it was always with disclaimer "when used outside environment they were meant for".

In other words, I feel we shouldn't expect it to work as advertised and not rebel when used in "shadetree detail" under conditions that vary enough from ones it is aimed for.
 
Dandrop said:
Jeff,
Thanks for clarifying that Menz does not contain fillers. Can you also confirm that the 106FF that comes in the square bottle is the same exact content that comes in the round bottle? I've seen this argument come up from time to time that they a different.
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The 106FF in the square bottle is the same 106FF as in the round bottle. No difference in contents, just packaging.
 
jsilver6 said:
I alway appreciate the interest in Menzerna professional products and the discussion regarding use and results. Interesting how an inanimate polish can develop a personality and become like a soap opera actor. Do we really believe that it "hides" or "deceives" when used? I'm sure that someone will correct me and tell me that I'm taking it out of context, but let's not make too much of this or any other polish.

Once again, for the record, Menzerna does not contain fillers. Oil cannot hide defects, but can actually enhance defects. Try washing down your next car with a mineral oil bath and deliver it to your customer and see if they are satisfied with the results of your paint correction! The oil is for lubrication and to reduce the heat generated from polishing.

The products that are being discussed were developed for commercial and industrial applications such as in an automobile assembly plant. The people that are actually using the Menzerna products are hourly factory worker and prefer products that are simple and easy to use that provide fast, assembly-line speed results. The learning curve for these working is quite short even though they generally have experience working with polish. They have NO patience trying to make a product work if it is not performing within 2 minutes. If Menzerna were as finicky as some suggest, you can be sure that the workers would guarantee it to fail on the production line and it would be replaced. Of course, if it were not used correctly, meaning wrong pad, wrong machine, wrong speed, insufficient time, incorrect pressure, etc then it would not provide the expected excellent results. Same goes in the detailing environment.

So to review once again (and I'm sure many times in the future!), no fillers, no deception, no kidding.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Silver
Menzerna USA
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Production lines are indoors and have constant environments, right? Like you said, thats what it was designed for. When its taken out of that certain environment it acts up. Does that mean it isnt a quality product, no. It simply means it isnt being used the way it was designed to be used. For example, I run into issues when its below a certain temperature. Its probably they most popular product out there, and my favorite polish by far. Also, you are misunderstanding, no one is saying Menzerna has FILLERS. All we are saying is it can hide defects. And those are the reasons it has a learning curve, just like everything else.
 
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Guess I must have used it in the correct environment ;)
 
You sure did Bill, I think other people were just letting you know the the ins and outs of how the product works and what happens when you are not in the perfect enviroment. It is the best polish hands down.
 
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