Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers

erichaley said:
Is this intended to mean that PG 1000 isn't a product worth owning,
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Personal preference. I don't mean to disparage PG 1000 and lots of people like this compound and even more already have it in their arsenal. I was a beta tester for FG 400 before it went public and really like it. I think from hands-on experience, FG 400 is a better product as far as Menzerna compounds go. It cuts fast and finishes out really nice but that's my personal experience.


erichaley said:
or that FG 400 and PF 2500 together eliminate the need for PG 1000?
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Sure, that's a good two step approach. As long as the person doing the work is happy with the results they can go to wax, if a person wants to try to eek out a little more shine then finish out with one of the finer polishes before wax.


When I replied to this thread, I just wanted to let everyone know I updated the first post with product names AND links to the store as it's really easy to "copy and paste" my post to help people out.

Like I posted here, see post #3 and note where I typed this...

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...lips/68007-steps-least-aggressive-method.html

For others that will read this into the future, here's the actual product part numbers, names and links to the AG store...


I'm pretty good on forums, by that I mean I completely understand that as long as the server bill is paid on time, this forum will be around a L-O-N-G time into the future and a lot of people will read or scan this thread and by adding the "Names & Links" to the products it will "help others into the future".

I could have left it out but that's not my style... I like to help people get their cars shiny...



:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Hi Mike,

I hope I'm not misunderstanding you but here's what I received from Jeff Silver.

PO87MC Micro Finish will be discontinued and replaced by the FF3000/PO85U Final Finish.

According to this earlier chart, FPII or Final Polish II is PO85U, that means it is now replaced with the FF 3000

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I can get just as confused as anyone when it comes to product names and numbers.


LOL


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Hello mike! In the pic I saw there is a corrispondence between polishes and sanding marks. The FG400 should remove 1200 grit marks: what does it means, 1200 CAMI or ISO nomenclature (in other words american or european sizes)?
Thanks!

PS: this is for menzerna products, is that possible to do that also with other brands?
 
So do we now see an update to this thread?

Also, is 3800 new and improved or just 4500 in a new bottle as others have said?
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers


Menzerna has introduced all new labels and product names for identifying their products. I know it's easy to stick with what you know and change can be hard but the new product names and identifying numbers are here to stay so might as well make the switch when talking and typing about them..



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No label change at this time for,



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Would it be correct to say there has been another change in product names since post #1 in this thread was written?
 
Harpolith said:
Would it be correct to say there has been another change in product names since post #1 in this thread was written?
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ZiggyPopp said:
So do we now see an update to this thread?

Also, is 3800 new and improved or just 4500 in a new bottle as others have said?
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Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Personal preference. I don't mean to disparage PG 1000 and lots of people like this compound and even more already have it in their arsenal. I was a beta tester for FG 400 before it went public and really like it. I think from hands-on experience, FG 400 is a better product as far as Menzerna compounds go. It cuts fast and finishes out really nice but that's my personal experience.

:)
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Hello everyone. It's time to update this thread.
New products from menzerna are coming. This is the site: https://www.menzerna.com/automotive/polishes/
As you can see it is basically divided in the same old way: heavy cut, medium cut and finishes... But what's the product we can use after a certain type of grit? For example I know with FG400 I can stop to 1200 grit sandpaper and the go with polish...
The main question is then: is there a correspondence between old and new products? For example what kind of product can I use to get the same results I have with the FG400? What's the name of the glaze? Etc.

Thanks very much guys!

PS. I know I'm going out of thread whit this question but I'm so curious. Did anyone try the 3 in 1 polish? And did anyone compare it to the classic cycle fg400+SF4000+wax?
 
I regularly use 3 in 1 as an AIO. It cuts/finishes great for an AIO. But it will not remove the heavier defects that FG400 does.
 
sansa said:
What kind of product can I use to get the same results I have with the FG400? What's the name of the glaze? Etc.
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SC300 will cut more than FG400 but will not finish as well.

Top Finish Machine Glaze.
Menzerna Top Finish Machine Glaze, Finishing Glaze PO 115C

Did anyone try the 3 in 1 polish?
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I do use 3n1.

And did anyone compare it to the classic cycle fg400+SF4000+wax?
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You cant expect an AIO to cut, polish, and wax like a dedicated three step process. Simple as that.



Billy Baldone said:
I regularly use 3 in 1 as an AIO. It cuts/finishes great for an AIO. But it will not remove the heavier defects that FG400 does.
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Agreed.

Just for information, 3n1 features the same polishing powder as found in PF2500.
 
Mike@DedicatedPerfection said:
Just for information, 3n1 features the same polishing powder as found in PF2500.
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That's a great info. That means that one-step polish and pf2500 begin to cut at the same grade of swirls... No one told me whats the the last sandpaper grit before pf2500 or one-step polish...
Can I stop at 2000 sandpaper and use a pf2500 for example?
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Yes.


I've been planning on an updated article just a time thing...


:)
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Thanks, Mike. I've been piecing it all together from different threads and think I've now got it figured out regarding the "different names" vs "same products". 3 generations is a handful! But I've learned a bunch of other things along the way. All good and will look forward to learning more about the Menz products.
 
sansa said:
That's a great info. That means that one-step polish and pf2500 begin to cut at the same grade of swirls...
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Nope. Not a chance. With the AIO, its cut will be reduced simply because of the added protection agents found in it. If you do a side by side, PF2500 will out cut the AIO.

No one told me whats the the last sandpaper grit before pf2500 or one-step polish...
Can I stop at 2000 sandpaper and use a pf2500 for example?
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I wouldn't bother attempting pulling out less than 3000 grit marks with either product. Anything more aggressive than 3K grit paper and I would use a dedicated compound.
 
Boy, now I'M getting really confused. I'm looking at the AG store chart, and Power Finish (PF2500) is 5/7 cut gloss. In the new scheme, where it's called Medium Cut Polish 2500, it's still 5/7.

What's confusing me is the old SIP (SI 1500) was 7/6...now that it's Medium Cut Polish 2400...it's 5/8. So has the product changed, or did Menz just change their mind on the rating? Based on the cut/gloss it would seem there would be no reason to use 2500, 2400 has the same cut and higher gloss...and they are the same price, so there's no decision point there.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Boy, now I'M getting really confused. I'm looking at the AG store chart, and Power Finish (PF2500) is 5/7 cut gloss. In the new scheme, where it's called Medium Cut Polish 2500, it's still 5/7.

What's confusing me is the old SIP (SI 1500) was 7/6...now that it's Medium Cut Polish 2400...it's 5/8. So has the product changed, or did Menz just change their mind on the rating? Based on the cut/gloss it would seem there would be no reason to use 2500, 2400 has the same cut and higher gloss...and they are the same price, so there's no decision point there.
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It seems the sf4000 changed his cutting power too. Older datasheets showed a cutting power of 3 while now as super finish 3500 is 2/10..... That's why I'm considering to use the 3in1 instead of the sf4000
 
Just to chime in ....


When any product talks about what level i.e. what grit level of sanding mark it will remove that is in the context of working on fresh paint in a body shop.

So use that type of information as an indicator but the only thing that's really important is what you can do to your car in your garage.

As I stated before, the FG400 when worked correctly finishes down like a polish.

On a black car, if you washed the car after using ONLY FG400 you would see haze in the paint. That's because it's a COMPOUND. The polishing oils make the paint look polished after using it but washing will remove some of the polishing oils revealing that while the compound finished down great it still needs a follow up step to be prefect.

So now you use a one-step cleaner/wax as all you need to do is remove the haze caused by the compound and the cutting pad and this haze is not that hard to remove.


Of course all paints are different but still the above is a good rule of thumb.


Also I agree with Mike aka Mike @ DedicatedPerfection that when comparing a dedicated polish to a cleaner/wax there is a difference as the protection ingredients in the cleaner/wax, be they wax or some type of synthetic substance, will tend to add lubricity to the process reducing the cut of the abrasives as compared to a polish without the slippery protection ingredients.

Still.... cleaner/waxes will clean....

Clean means abrade in this context.



:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Just to chime in ....


When any product talks about what level i.e. what grit level of sanding mark it will remove that is in the context of working on fresh paint in a body shop.

So use that type of information as an indicator but the only thing that's really important is what you can do to your car in your garage.

As I stated before, the FG400 when worked correctly finishes down like a polish.

On a black car, if you washed the car after using ONLY FG400 you would see haze in the paint. That's because it's a COMPOUND. The polishing oils make the paint look polished after using it but washing will remove some of the polishing oils revealing that while the compound finished down great it still needs a follow up step to be prefect.

So now you use a one-step cleaner/wax as all you need to do is remove the haze caused by the compound and the cutting pad and this haze is not that hard to remove.


Of course all paints are different but still the above is a good rule of thumb.


Also I agree with Mike aka Mike @ DedicatedPerfection that when comparing a dedicated polish to a cleaner/wax there is a difference as the protection ingredients in the cleaner/wax, be they wax or some type of synthetic substance, will tend to add lubricity to the process reducing the cut of the abrasives as compared to a polish without the slippery protection ingredients.

Still.... cleaner/waxes will clean....

Clean means abrade in this context.



:)
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So can we say that 3in1 removes the haze left by the fg400 better than the new super finish 3500(that is the old sf4000 but with less cut)?
 
Sorry to bump an older thread, I am learning and trying to find out more about other product lines besides Meguiars and stumbled upon Menzerna. it is very confusing for me as a beginner but would like to understand it a little more.

I see an updated image on their site https://www.menzerna.com/files/Bilder/Automotiv/PoliturenProgramm/PoliturenProgramm-EN.jpg
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What do most people use for a 2-step process? Keep in mind I am familiar with Meguiars Ult Comp/Ult Polish or 105/205 combo so looking for something compatible to match that.

Obviously each car is different, but looking for something that works on most conditions.

Heavy Cut Compount 400, Followed by Final Finish 3000?

And then your LSP of choice.

Thanks!

EDIT: I just saw on the AG product page for Heavy Cut Compound 400, the below:

AG said:
Menzerna Heavy Cut Compound 400 can be used with a rotary (circular) or dual action (orbital) polisher. For best results, follow up with Menzerna Super Finish (SF-3500) on a foam polishing or finishing pad.
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So followup with 3500 might be preferred over 3000?
 
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