Menzerna polishes vs CG optical polishes

[Kris R]

I'm running low on my Menzerna items. And although I feel Menzerna corrects easier and better than everything else I keep trying I still find it very hard to work with. Hard to remove, feels too dry on the pad and am ready to give something else a try. I've really taken a liking to the CG stuff I have so far. I'm wondering who has tried their optical polishes? And thoughts?

 

[opie_7afe]

i honestly never hear anyone talking about CG's polishes so my guess is they dont work all that well compared to others....why not give the optimum correction products a shot? i love how easy opt products work, sure the compounds might take longer to remove defects compared to say m105 but the finish is down right great.

 

[RhetoricMixes]

From what ive read on other websites is that their optical line is great but it doesnt have enough cut (especially the v34). Ive been looking into some cost effective compounds/polishes and am interested in the replies as well.

 

[silverfox]

I have found that CGs strength... lies more in their glazes, and LSPs...not so much their polishes. EZ Creme, Glossworkz Glaze, Blacklight, JetSeal 109, V7, and their carnuba waxes are all really nice products.

 

[OhTwoGT]

I have found that CGs strength... lies more in their glazes, and LSPs...not so much their polishes. EZ Creme, Glossworkz Glaze, Blacklight, JetSeal 109, V7, and their carnuba waxes are all really nice products.

I second this, ive found that their compounds dont really finish as nicely as some others say M105 or D300. But when it comes to LSP/glazes. They are fantastic

 

[RhetoricMixes]

I second this, ive found that their compounds dont really finish as nicely as some others say M105 or D300. But when it comes to LSP/glazes. They are fantastic

I think the way they finish shouldnt be a problem for most people since most people follow up a compound with a polish. How would you rate the cut in their compounds with say m105?

 

[Mobile detail]

I have the Optical line up. It doesn't work well especially compared to M105/M205 and Menzerna. I can send you some Kris if you wanna try it. PM if interested. I can check and see what I have. They are close to full 16oz bottles.

 

[bobble]

Only used a sample of I think it was V34 and V38. Was not overly impressed, worked ok just like either M105/205 or Menz SIP/203 or 106 better. But again only tired once and did not buy. I do use EZ Creme and several other products a lot though for wehat it's worth.

 

[Kris R]

I have the Optical line up. It doesn't work well especially compared to M105/M205 and Menzerna. I can send you some Kris if you wanna try it. PM if interested. I can check and see what I have. They are close to full 16oz bottles.

Ah. I appreciate the offer. I think I'm going to try this 105/205 that's been on my shelf. what about 3M polishes?

 

[Kris R]

Sorry. I meant 3M compounds.

 

[RhetoricMixes]

Ah. I appreciate the offer. I think I'm going to try this 105/205 that's been on my shelf. what about 3M compounds?

Ive heard that the 3M ones are for use on really horrible finishes since they are very abrasive. Their compounds will also behave very differently since i believe they are DAT and m105/205 are SMAT.

 

[john b]

thought i read somewhere they were haveing good results with the cg optical polish with there new mf pads

 

[Agfan]

The optical polishes are by far the easiest polishes/compound I have used to date. And has great results. If they weren't so expensive I would buy them over menzerna any day.

 

[Kris R]

The optical polishes are by far the easiest polishes/compound I have used to date. And has great results. If they weren't so expensive I would buy them over menzerna any day.

Other comments state that the cut is weak and that they do t perform well as a compound. Can you describe the type of defects you were removing and what polisher pad combo? Thanks.

 

[Agfan]

Well first I used a rotary. I know some don't have one but it really works well. I also used a Lc purple wp with the compound(v34) über white pad-v36 and über black-v38.
I used it on a bunch of cars ranging from Hondas to vw and had very good success with it. They are great "noob" polishes because they are very easy to use. I also had good success with and orbital. Remember technique is very key to getting the right results. You need to know how to use an orbital/rotary in order to get results. Unfortionutly there are people on here that only used a machine a couple times and yet give bad reviews like their a pro. Sometimes it's just best to try out things for yourself instead of taking joe schmo's word for it ya know.

 

[Kris R]

Well first I used a rotary. I know some don't have one but it really works well. I also used a Lc purple wp with the compound(v34) über white pad-v36 and über black-v38.
I used it on a bunch of cars ranging from Hondas to vw and had very good success with it. They are great "noob" polishes because they are very easy to use. I also had good success with and orbital. Remember technique is very key to getting the right results. You need to know how to use an orbital/rotary in order to get results. Unfortionutly there are people on here that only used a machine a couple times and yet give bad reviews like their a pro. Sometimes it's just best to try out things for yourself instead of taking joe schmo's word for it ya know.

I completely agree. also you get noobs raving about a product that's actually crap. LoL

 

[Kris R]

Yeah it gets pretty frustrating seeing reviews on products from people who only detail their own car. Unfortunately 80% of the people on here don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to detailing and yet they give a huge opinion on a product to some1 who is truely trying to learn. It's ashame so many things are wrongfully put down or miss used because of those people

Yeah. There are too many variables. Types of defect, shade or not. Pad polish combo. Even machine compound. Manufacturer of paint. Speed of polisher. Speed of your arm. It goes on. I look for versatility in a product. I don't need or want a one trick pony. I need a heavy hitter that dominates across the board. So far menzerna is that.

 

[elk42]

Wow, I'm sorry, but I have to speak up here - you think people who detail only their own cars shouldn't be allowed to express their opinion on whether a product works for them or not? I agree that one shouldn't generalize how good or bad a product is based on using it once or twice, but to count people's opinions as invalid just because they don't do this for a living, and look down on said individuals, and say that the majority of people here don't really know what they're doing (Where'd you pull that 80% statistic from? Did I miss a mandatory poll when I signed up?) - wow, just wow.

I fully agree with this statement. You dont have to be a pro to be able to offer advice on products and techniques. To each his/her own to see what works for them. Enjoy the process of detailing whether you are a pro or hobbyist looking to improve. rops:

 

[Kris R]

Unfortionutly there are people on here that only used a machine a couple times and yet give bad reviews like their a pro.

this is the only comment that I completely agreed with. There is a learning curve to machine use. No matter what machine. And the first time you use one you may think it doesn't work. I don't know how this topic got derailed so badly but I want to know about products. I could honestly care less about who has more experience. All I ask is you have enough experience with Machine polishing and different products to make a fair assessment.

 

[BookemDano]

Agfan wrote:

Yeah it gets pretty frustrating seeing reviews on products from people who only detail their own car. Unfortunately 80% of the people on here don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to detailing and yet they give a huge opinion on a product to some1 who is truely trying to learn. It's ashame so many things are wrongfully put down or miss used because of those people

This implies that only pro's should be giving reviews. While pro's know way more than most amateurs about detailing a car, they also have opinions about products that may NOT be appropriate for an amateur.

I've seen a lot of pro opinions about products that are driven my by their professional need to make a living and do not necessarily apply to amateurs. I see pros raving about products that give a great shine that only lasts a few months, but is very easy and fast to apply. That's great for them because 1) they need to finish the detail and move on, and 2) the customer may be a repeat customer.

What about a product that's more difficult to apply but gives a longer lasting protection? Zaino sealants come to mind. I mentioned that I liked Zaino sealants in a post on another forum and got blasted by a Pro who said that it was a boutique product for zealots. He preferred a product sold by Autopia/Autogeek saying that it was much easier to apply and gave a shine that had the longevity of Zaino sealants.

From my research on the product in question, it only lasted about 4-6 months and then needed to be reapplied. However it was easier to apply than Zaino.

He was a Pro. Was he right? NO! With Zaino, you should apply at least two coats to get the best results and you need to wait several hours before applying the second coat.

For amateurs, this may not be a problem. For a Pro, sitting around for several hours doing nothing or coming back the next day just to apply a second coat of sealant is a complete non-starter. It just isn't cost effective.

The bottom line is that, while Pros know a lot more about detailing than an amateur ever will, their opinions may be driven by factors that do NOT apply to amateurs. Their detailing goals and constraints may be different than an amateur's. Always keep that in mind.

Regards,

Dan.

p.s. I'm a contract software developer. While I know way more than most amateur software developers, my world is different from theirs. So my programming "rules" may not apply to them.