Menzerna SIP as a one step?

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I tried sip for the first time yesterday on a friends black dodge magnum. The car is 2yrs old and had a fair amount of swirls. PC and a LC orange pad easily removed the swirls and left a great finish. I expected I would have to follow up with 106fa, but we could not see any reason to do the extra work. The car looked fantastic! This was done at night in my garage with good flourescent lighting and we also used halogen lighting to really scrutinize the finish.

My question is.... would 106fa made it look that much better? He was already so happy with the way it looked that he didn't want to bother with the 106fa. Maybe we need to take a better look in the sunlight? I've read that SIP required a follow up with a finer polish.
 
Yes, you should follow up with a finish polish. The finish polish does enhance the finish.
 
The SIP w/a LC orange pad will cause micro marring. I would follow it up. Espeacially with a black car. You will notice a difference after you use the 106FA.
 
loudog2 said:
The SIP w/a LC orange pad will cause micro marring. I would follow it up. Espeacially with a black car. You will notice a difference after you use the 106FA.
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Thats what I heard....We just couldn't see the micro marring. I guess we'll have to take a better look at it in the sun.
 
The color of the pad does not matter, you should always follow up a polish with a finishing polish.
 
I asked him to call me if he notices anything and he hasn't called so I guess sip is a one step as far as he is concerned.
 
i would think if used with a white pad it would finish down enough to not need another polishing step....
 
vinnier6 said:
i would think if used with a white pad it would finish down enough to not need another polishing step....
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It doesn't, like I posted above, you always need to follow up with a finishing polish on a finishing pad.I am not going to go in depth about this again, there are numerous threads on other forums and I think a few on here that explain this and the reasons why.
 
like asphalt says its going to need to be finished down ,you might get away with it on a light colored car ,but on black NO WAY!
 
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Yeah...after all the reading that I've done here, I was sure we would need to follow up with 106fa. It's amazing that we couldn't find any reason use a finishing polish. Maybe the flourescent and halogen lighting aren't good enough to show the micro marring.
 
That just shows the difference between an average detail versus a top notch detail. Once again look at the top detailers and see if they just stop at sip, we do not, we finish with a finishing polish. You will have to probably look at other forums to see this, even though there are a few that post on here sometimes.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
That just shows the difference between an average detail versus a top notch detail. Once again look at the top detailers and see if they just stop at sip, we do not, we finish with a finishing polish. You will have to probably look at other forums to see this, even though there are a few that post on here sometimes.
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hmm. it seems you might have lost focus of the OP's question and intent. he asked if it can be done. as evidenced by the detail i linked you to, it can be done. it's obviously a matter of preference of both the detailer and the customer. some people, some customers, and some finishes require nothing more than K.I.S.S. the OP is using a PC, so he probably falls within your classification of an 'average' detailer. not everyone is paul dalton, hehe. i believe that if he is using SIP and on this forum, he's probably a little more than an average detailer....

i certainly would not call Presidential_Detail an average detail artist either...
 
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builthatch said:
hmm. it seems you might have lost focus of the OP's question and intent. he asked if it can be done. as evidenced by the detail i linked you to, it can be done. it's obviously a matter of preference. some people, some customers, and some finishes require nothing more than K.I.S.S. the OP is using a PC, so he probably falls within your classification of an 'average' detailer. not everyone is paul dalton. granted, i believe that if he is using SIP and on this forum, he's probably a little more than an average detailer....

i certainly would not call Presidential_Detail an average detail artist either...
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Asphalt didn't lose focus. The OP used a LC orange pad, not a white. The orange pad will cause some marring. Espeacially on black. If the OP wants to do a one step, so be it. People are just giving their opinion on how to do it right. SIP w/a LC white can be done. The orange will cause marring.
 
loudog2 said:
Asphalt didn't lose focus. The OP used a LC orange pad, not a white. The orange pad will cause some marring. Espeacially on black. If the OP wants to do a one step, so be it. People are just giving their opinion on how to do it right. SIP w/a LC white can be done. The orange will cause marring.
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just to clarify, i was talking about the idea and inquiry of the OP re: using SIP in preparation for LSP, not what pad to use. Asphalt said specifically that you can't use SIP and even a white pad, whereas you said you can. i (and others) agree with you.
vinnier6 said:
i would think if used with a white pad it would finish down enough to not need another polishing step....
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ASPHALT ROCKET said:
It doesn't, like I posted above, you always need to follow up with a finishing polish on a finishing pad.I am not going to go in depth about this again, there are numerous threads on other forums and I think a few on here that explain this and the reasons why.
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Hence, my statement of him losing focus about who made the thread in the first place- someone like me, you or presidential detail...you know, average detailers (his words) and evidently not someone like him or other 'top notch' detailers (his words)
 
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Never said you couldn't use sip with a white pad, trying to get across to people that it needs to be followed up with a finishing polish on a finish pad. loudog knows exactly what I was saying and if you do believe that you do not need to follow up sip then you are an average detailer. I did not lose any focus at all, just trying to help and make the op in their process and to realize that there is one more step involved. Once again that will show who is average and who actually wants to do a complete detail. Wasn't trying to down the op at all just trying to help, but when other people want to add their two cents that really and obviously do not know how to do this gets old. When seeing poor info given I am going to say something because once again that does not help the op.
 
I thought the OP was asking if his car would be LSP ready after using the SIP w/ the PC and a orange pad. SIP can be used as a one step w/a finishing pad(white or "autogeek" green), on lighter colors. On black you'll get a perfect dull finish. But the truth is, you won't get the shine or pop as you would with the 106 follow-up. Espeacially on black, red or dark gray.

When I first started I did my moms infiniti I35 with SIP and a orange pad. It looked great. But I still listened to people on here. Followed it with 106FA. It looked even better. The shine and reflections rocked.

Back to point. Yes you can use SIP as a one step with a lighter pad(not the orange the OP used). I'm just saying, if you are going to do it, do it right.
 
builthatch said:
P_D just featured one of his details using SIP and a white pad for an LSP ready finish....

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ed-2008-honda-civic-si-not-even-9k-clock.html

granted, it was on a super soft new honda.
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Thanks builthatch, it's good to know that there is nothing wrong with our vision. We were both blown away at the finish. Perhaps a trained eye under perfect lighting could show us why we would need to finish polish, but he was so incredibly happy, he didn't want to do another step. I guess thats all that matters.

If it were my car, I would have at least tried the 106fa to see if it was worth the extra effort. I don't see how it could have looked any better tough. His paint looked like black water. It was beautiful.
 
There is no set answer to the OP question. It all has to do with the paint you are working on. I sure on some paints, SIP can be finished to LSP ready. This is why we do test spots.

Even if the paint was LSP ready after SIP, I would still follow up with a lesser polish for my own piece of mind.
 
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