Mequires (high End) Pro Line!!!??really?

[Kris R]

Statement like this makes me strongly suspect culprit of your dissatisfaction is in user, not the product. Majority of their products is just fine, and some are downright incredible. If you have tried M105, D151, M86, M80, etc and did it correctly you would not have been saying what you are saying. I have a love/hate relationship with Meguiar's but I can not say anything negative of these products. They work, they work great, and have huge plus: They are very economical.

This is the second time I have openly dissed Megs and the second time I have been written off as someone who just has poor technique. Cant I just not like their products?

I know they have a pro-line and an OTC line. I have only used the OTC and refuse to spend my money ordering their pro-line off the net when Im just not that impressed with their every day stuff.

I did a detail a while back and was completely out of some polishes and waxes...went to the local store and grabbed a bunch of their stuff. Just wasnt that impressed with it. I like my Wolfgang, XMT and other items WAY BETTER! Every single product from Megs I have used has been massively beat out by other brands I have used in the same manner.

Just my opinion. I know Im the minority and Im fine with that...just my opinion. And Im a darn good detailer! :cheers:

 

[Wendell Jarvis]

Megs #105 is still in my shop, certainly one great product, some of Megs OTC stuff is crappy........but those who seek out their detailing supplies at those place are generally rookies anyway. To me Meg makes some good products and just like other manufacteurs, they dont dominate in all categories or their full line of products.

 

[Kris R]

Megs #105 is still in my shop, certainly one great product, some of Megs OTC stuff is crappy........but those who seek out their detailing supplies at those place are generally rookies anyway. To me Meg makes some good products and just like other manufacteurs, they dont dominate in all categories or their full line of products.

Again, another assumption with quite an unfriendly tone in a forum that is anything but unfriendly.

Allow me to give concise examples:

I have used Sonus Cockpit detailer for 3 years. the stuff is AMAZING. Very nice factory matte look, some UV protectant, non greasy (no silicone) faint citrus scent. I like it personally. many of my customers like it too. Sometimes I use 303 and I love that stuff for its variety of uses. especially on my black soft top for my jeep.
Ran out of it, and really only use that ONE product from Sonus. Didnt want to order one bottle from california and pay shipping so long story short I grabbed a bottle of Megs Interior quick detail. Supposed to be the same thing. NOt even in the same galaxy. The stuff was CRAP!

Example 2: Megs 3 step polish. 1) paint cleaner 2) polish/swirl remover 3) carnuba wax.

All crap. Detailed a dark grey armada with it in desperation and regret it. took it back to the store for a refund. Has nothing to do with being a rookie or my technique. The stuff is crap. Bottom line.

Example 3) I thought all tire wet/shine/dressing was the same till I bought HOT SHINE from meguiars. Corrections. All tire/wet/shine/dressing IS the same...except this...Stuff dries out almost instantly compared to other stuff.

Given how blown away I was by stoners invisible glass i cant wait to try their tire stuff.

Example 4) Gold Class Leather conditioner. Seemed watery compaired to other brands Ive used.

Just my experience. We've all reached for the crap at the store while in a jam. We ALL have. I wasnt impressed. Unless someone wants to give me free pro-line to try Ill retain my opinion. Im the MAN

Theres just too much GREAT stuff out there and moneys just too tight to give megs a try when I can get better stuff.

Put it this way: There are MILLIONS of people who LOVE brussel sprouts. Ive tried them. I hate them. I dont need a second helping to come to the same conclusion.

Also there are some that say "Millions of people use Megs! Its been around longer than most!" Well millions of people drive gas powered cars. Its been around longer than most. Doesnt mean its the best thing out there.

ok ok you get where Im comming from...

 

[SSTG]

I love the IQD from megs. But I don't like shiny surfaces looks cheap imo.
And I use most of there pro line products at my shop.
Along with many other Co's products.Each have there place and duty.
You can not compare there over the counter line with there pro line.
I hope you give it another shot.Good Luck.They've been in business for along time.Must be doing something right

 

[imageautodetail]

Again, another assumption with quite an unfriendly tone in a forum that is anything but unfriendly.

Allow me to give concise examples:

I have used Sonus Cockpit detailer for 3 years. the stuff is AMAZING. Very nice factory matte look, some UV protectant, non greasy (no silicone) faint citrus scent. I like it personally. many of my customers like it too. Sometimes I use 303 and I love that stuff for its variety of uses. especially on my black soft top for my jeep.
Ran out of it, and really only use that ONE product from Sonus. Didnt want to order one bottle from california and pay shipping so long story short I grabbed a bottle of Megs Interior quick detail. Supposed to be the same thing. NOt even in the same galaxy. The stuff was CRAP!

Example 2: Megs 3 step polish. 1) paint cleaner 2) polish/swirl remover 3) carnuba wax.

All crap. Detailed a dark grey armada with it in desperation and regret it. took it back to the store for a refund. Has nothing to do with being a rookie or my technique. The stuff is crap. Bottom line.

Example 3) I thought all tire wet/shine/dressing was the same till I bought HOT SHINE from meguiars. Corrections. All tire/wet/shine/dressing IS the same...except this...Stuff dries out almost instantly compared to other stuff.

Given how blown away I was by stoners invisible glass i cant wait to try their tire stuff.

Example 4) Gold Class Leather conditioner. Seemed watery compaired to other brands Ive used.

Just my experience. We've all reached for the crap at the store while in a jam. We ALL have. I wasnt impressed. Unless someone wants to give me free pro-line to try Ill retain my opinion. Im the MAN

Theres just too much GREAT stuff out there and moneys just too tight to give megs a try when I can get better stuff.

Put it this way: There are MILLIONS of people who LOVE brussel sprouts. Ive tried them. I hate them. I dont need a second helping to come to the same conclusion.

Also there are some that say "Millions of people use Megs! Its been around longer than most!" Well millions of people drive gas powered cars. Its been around longer than most. Doesnt mean its the best thing out there.

ok ok you get where Im comming from...

I didnt get an unfriendly tone from WJ's post at all, I feel he was right, there are very few products from OTC stores that I would even use in a pinch, on the same note, I was in my local Mirror Glaze store this morning to purchase a couple of things, but pepboys doesnt carry there detailer line and Meguiars is by far directed towards the consumer not the professional, and like I stated earlier stuff from there pro line is good, but OTC is there bread and butter, the main reason they were purchased by 3m

 

[Kris R]

This is a another good example why I feel it is the darn good detailer that is at fault and not the product. Their #1 cleaner is very good cleaner that has huge plus of being available almost everywhere. I have several bottles of it on my shelf and use it without hesitation. Yet you feel it is a crap? I know #1 is so straightforward it is next to impossible for even absolute beginner to mess up but if you still need help with it please let me know and I can PM you a pointer to Meguiar's Online "101" section.

P.S. Did it ever cross your mind your brussel sprouts cook just did not do a good job? Man that makes too rushed decisions, quits after trying once, is extremely likely to make wrong decisions. Let me just say I was not impressed after my first kiss but thank God I didn't do what you did after brussel sprouts.

AGAIN!!! YOU ARE making the assumption that my preferences dictate how good I am at detailing! That is a personal attack that I DONT think is fair OR friendly considering the nature of this forum. The fact is, you have no IDEA how well I detail, you have no idea the level I work at, and I take offense to someone bashing my passion and hard work based on an opinion of a product!

You have the right to disagree with me all you want. You do NOT have the right to bash my skill or me personally as a detailer just because you dont agree with what I said!

ALSO- Most of the people that that comment on "how good" Meguiars is had just referred to their pro-line.

As far as their number 1 polish goes, I came to that conclusion after doing a Nissan titan the week before using xmt, and then turning around and doing a Nissan armada using Megs OTC cleaner polish using the SAME pad, Same, Machine, Same arm speed, Same prep, and using the SAME factory paint!

FORGIVE me for not liking the OTC crap as much as other things I have used and gotten great results!

If you use it, then FINE! IF you have 20 bucks are would rather buy a bottle of Megs OTC cleaner polish rather than another brand then FINE! I wouldnt! That doesnt make me a BAD detailer!

I stand by my statement that EVERY product I have used from Megs was NOT as impressive to me as other products I have used for the same application using the same technique. THAT my friend is personal preference. IF you feel differently that is FINE by me. I would never DREAM of calling you an inferior detailer because you had a different opinion than mine.

 

[Kris R]

Ok what you are doing now is misrepresenting my words. I know the polish doesn't cost 20 bucks. It costs 8. But the polish I would use in place of it is under 20 bucks. Given my choice on how to spend a 20........ That's where I was going with it.

Also you refuse to mention that I said many times that I got the desired results using the same technique same pad Same paint same polisher but with a different polish. Therefore my skillset is NOT the issue because if it was the desired results would not have been achieved with ANY polish. But you go ahead and cut and paste things the way you want pal.

My original statement was this: for every meguiars product I have tried, I don't like it as much as other products for the same purpose. It's not that it doesn't do the job, just not as fastor with the same final results as my brands of choice.


You chose to bash ME because you use said products just fine. Knock yourself out. I don't like meguiars due to the very unimpressive results it's yeilded in the same working time as other products.

From here on out, you should probably mAke statements based on your experience and leave speculation about others out of the conversation. Thanks.

 

[Kris R]

Also upon reading wendels post it wasn't unfriendly. I apologize, I misread it. And for the record I'm not a rookie. I don't have a huge arsenal of techniques, but what I've been doing for years has produced amazing results.

 

[Wendell Jarvis]

Also upon reading wendels post it wasn't unfriendly. I apologize, I misread it. And for the record I'm not a rookie. I don't have a huge arsenal of techniques, but what I've been doing for years has produced amazing results.

Thank you, I didn't think it was unfriendly or rude, also I was not personally targeting you as a rookie, ( that comment was geared more toward people who aren't really into real detailing. I would let this all go brother, youre kinda putting too much energy into it. Peace be with you.

 

[Wendell Jarvis]

I didnt get an unfriendly tone from WJ's post at all, I feel he was right, there are very few products from OTC stores that I would even use in a pinch, on the same note, I was in my local Mirror Glaze store this morning to purchase a couple of things, but pepboys doesnt carry there detailer line and Meguiars is by far directed towards the consumer not the professional, and like I stated earlier stuff from there pro line is good, but OTC is there bread and butter, the main reason they were purchased by 3m

Thanks Clay for having my back ! This person is putting way too much energy and negativity into all this, but hey.....whatever. Later brother !!

 

[Wendell Jarvis]

If you are talking about the brown bottles (the Mirror Line) then they are certainly better than some of their OTC products and they offer speciality or specific products version AIO. I would not however compare them with Pinnacle, Zaino, Wolfgang, and other high lines specifically.

:iagree:

 

[Kris R]

No I wasnt talking about the Mirror line. was talking about the crystal polish in the burgandy bottles.

Its dropped. This all started because I said I have not been as happy with any meguiars products that I used where I usually use a higher end product and then I was told it was because Im not a good detailer. But if the OTC stuff was so good then why are we paying more for Wolfgang, Pinnacle Zaino etc?

Im over it. Its another day.

 

[lgtspecb]

The only mg product I have used is the cleaner and I must say it is other than being a bit runny and foul smelling, it is hands down the most effective paint cleaner I have used, and I think you may be getting some products mixed up in your mind. The cleaner is a pure chemical cleaner, regardless of what the label on the deep crystal (i think thats what they call the otc cleaner) it will not polish out swirls but the otc stuff might haver some fillers.

Most megs otc stuff I have tried I also think is inferior to other products, but even in the consumer market they have some standouts. The hot shine tire shine has a nice (not to glossy) look and is very durable, it is replacing my optimum for winter use. If its not as glossy as you want, do a second application, if its too glossy let it sit for a minute and wipe off the excess. The scratch-x works wonders for spot treating small defects. The interior quick detailer is great for weekly dusting and fingerprints. It is not an all-purpose cleaner. The wheel cleaner is not so shabby either, it is fairly strong and safe on almost any wheel, but usually you only need mild car soap or a strong degreaser for wheels and wheel wells. I also love thier mf wash mitts for onr.

Not every product works the same, some have longer working times, some need more aggressive pads, some need higher speeds. If your not getting quality results from a product, ask, because your more than likely not using it correctly or there are some tricks of the trade.

I dont use much of their stuff, but I've seen some finishes to die for that have been done with only megauirs products. In the end though, just use what you like and what works well for you. You are not required to like every product by every company.

 

[Kris R]

:iagree:

 

[imageautodetail]

The only mg product I have used is the cleaner and I must say it is other than being a bit runny and foul smelling, it is hands down the most effective paint cleaner I have used, and I think you may be getting some products mixed up in your mind. The cleaner is a pure chemical cleaner, regardless of what the label on the deep crystal (i think thats what they call the otc cleaner) it will not polish out swirls but the otc stuff might haver some fillers.

Most megs otc stuff I have tried I also think is inferior to other products, but even in the consumer market they have some standouts. The hot shine tire shine has a nice (not to glossy) look and is very durable, it is replacing my optimum for winter use. If its not as glossy as you want, do a second application, if its too glossy let it sit for a minute and wipe off the excess. The scratch-x works wonders for spot treating small defects. The interior quick detailer is great for weekly dusting and fingerprints. It is not an all-purpose cleaner. The wheel cleaner is not so shabby either, it is fairly strong and safe on almost any wheel, but usually you only need mild car soap or a strong degreaser for wheels and wheel wells. I also love thier mf wash mitts for onr.

Not every product works the same, some have longer working times, some need more aggressive pads, some need higher speeds. If your not getting quality results from a product, ask, because your more than likely not using it correctly or there are some tricks of the trade.

I dont use much of their stuff, but I've seen some finishes to die for that have been done with only megauirs products. In the end though, just use what you like and what works well for you. You are not required to like every product by every company.

Like I stated, almost anything you can buy at pepboys shouldnt be used in the pro detail world, they are made for ROOKIES, dumb proof, I dont even think the Mirror Glaze store sells the otc line, gold class but not the others, Original post was about MIRROR GLAZE products and perhaps the detailer line, 2 different monsters. Anyone that has used MG stuff knows it holds a place in the Pro detail world

 

[Kris R]

Anyone that has used MG stuff knows it holds a place in the Pro detail world

My original statement was about the OTC, but a lot of the users say the Pro Line is better...perhaps if I come across it Ill give it a try.

 

[SSTG]

My original statement was about the OTC, but a lot of the users say the Pro Line is better...perhaps if I come across it Ill give it a try.

Awesome. Thanks for being open minded. They really are good products.Good luck to you bud. Oh and thanks for serving.
Seth:buffing:

 

[Kris R]

Awesome. Thanks for being open minded. They really are good products.Good luck to you bud. Oh and thanks for serving.
Seth:buffing:

Yeah sure thing...half the fun of this hobby/profession is comming across new things that make the job easier.

For example...Ive use just about every glass cleaner there is that is suitable for automobiles. They were all JUST about the same till I recently tried stoners invisible glass. I hear a lot of people using it so I tried it. The stuff is amazing. Its completely surpassed my expectations. Windows used to be the thing I hated the most. Not its my favorite because of this one product.

Maybe there will be other products from any line that blows me away like that. If I come across anymore, Ill be sure to share.

 

[Junebug]

I'm with you on the Stoners IG, best damn glass cleaner I've ever tried. The Stoners Tire Shine didn't do it for me though, that spray put tiny little drops of oil all over the car I just finished and now have to wipe down with a QD. Maybe on a completely windless day or in a paint booth with down draft vents!

 

[Brian_Brice]

Junebug, have you ever tried Stoners compound?


IG is good, but not in my top two or three favorite glass cleaners, the exterior trim spray can is nice to have around.