Messed up wet sanding, please help

Well sadly the test you mentioned confirms I have went through my clear coat. The microfiber had dark grey have applying some pressure and a few passes. So for next time, so I learn from my mistakes, should I start with a higher grit sandpaper? And how much pressure should I be applying? I dont want to give up since I really love detailing my car

Quit wet sanding your car. It's not a show car, right? Just keep it as nice as you can via polishing, etc... Wet sanding is not for factory paint - unless your looking for trouble. Wet sanding is for re-paints where the clear coat may be 2x as thick and the orange peel may be 3x as bad.

I guess you could try it as a last resort if you have a scratch - and the alternative would be the body shop. From what I hear, Subaru paint is pretty soft and sticky - I'd be real hesitant to go at it with any type of sand paper.
 
no offence, but until you have some experience under your belt, then wet sanding Japanese paint may not be a great idea. it's all too easy to get it wrong, especially if you're working without a paint gauge. what i'd suggest, and i'd suggest this to anyone starting out with a machine polisher as well, is go to your nearest scrapyard, have a word with the guys that work there and see if they'll let you have the bonnet or boot lid off a car. you might have to part with a few dollars, but if you explain why you want it they're unlikely to charge you very much. then take it home put some scratches in it (if there aren't already some) and try getting them out without wrecking the paint. it's a great way of learning just exactly what you can and can't get away with without risking your own pride and joy. it you can get a panel from a car of the same make and model as the one you drive, then so much the better :xyxthumbs:
 
alright thanks for the tips. Is it safe to use compound with a da to try to remove light scratches on my car?
 
safe is a relative term, but yes, it should be fairly safe. always start with a light compound and a soft pad. do a test spot and see if it has corrected enough, if not then you can start to step things up, a little at a time, until you get the results you want. bear in mind your paint is soft, so go gently and have patience, cause when its gone, its gone. I'm amazed how often the phrase 'clearcoat failure' has come up on this forum since i joined!
I really can't recommend Mikes 'Art of Detailing' book highly enough. if you want to enjoy your detailing, then go and buy it
 
Well sadly the test you mentioned confirms I have went through my clear coat.

The microfiber had dark grey have applying some pressure and a few passes.

Ouch.... you're not the first one so don't feel bad.


So for next time, so I learn from my mistakes, should I start with a higher grit sandpaper


What I always say, teach and practice myself goes like this,


Sometimes it's better to improve a scratch than to try to 100% remove a scratch


And the reason why is because factory clearcoats are THIN. You just don't have much material to work with.

If you must sand, get some #3000 or even #5000 Trizact 3" sanding discs as you can use these by hand or by machine.


:)
 
If its any consolation to you, from the photo it doesn't look that bad. Of course you see it in person and it bothers you but chalk it up to learning more about the science of detailing and hopefully in a month you've gotten used to it or simply overlook it.

I've had my share of "oops" moments much like probably most of us here. They sting initially but ya move on and learn something.

It also may be a function of Subies paint characteristics. Like Mike said, maybe super thin and soft on top of that. I bet if you tried that on an Audi or an Escalade it wouldn't turn out like that.
 
I had some clear coat failure on a 97 ram a while back ago but it was because it sat for years by the beach under the sun. What i did was i bought some dupli color clear coat and sprayed the area. It looked like crap at first but once i wet sanded and buffed it looked like there was never a problem. You can try spraying a light coat of clear on it and wet sand it again to even it out. Then buff out the scratches. It may not look perfect but at least that area wont rust.

Also if you cant afford to re spray the car then you can get it wrapped in vinyl.
 
Quit wet sanding your car. It's not a show car, right? Just keep it as nice as you can via polishing, etc... Wet sanding is not for factory paint - unless your looking for trouble. Wet sanding is for re-paints where the clear coat may be 2x as thick and the orange peel may be 3x as bad.

I guess you could try it as a last resort if you have a scratch - and the alternative would be the body shop. From what I hear, Subaru paint is pretty soft and sticky - I'd be real hesitant to go at it with any type of sand paper.

no offence, but until you have some experience under your belt, then wet sanding Japanese paint may not be a great idea. it's all too easy to get it wrong, especially if you're working without a paint gauge. what i'd suggest, and i'd suggest this to anyone starting out with a machine polisher as well, is go to your nearest scrapyard, have a word with the guys that work there and see if they'll let you have the bonnet or boot lid off a car. you might have to part with a few dollars, but if you explain why you want it they're unlikely to charge you very much. then take it home put some scratches in it (if there aren't already some) and try getting them out without wrecking the paint. it's a great way of learning just exactly what you can and can't get away with without risking your own pride and joy. it you can get a panel from a car of the same make and model as the one you drive, then so much the better :xyxthumbs:

Although I tried to help you on the fix, I must plentifully agree with members above. Some may say it's 'excess of precaution', but I always play on safe side, however, that's because just like you I went into trouble in the past. :nomore:

Wet sanding any OEM finish is popular in my country, and a work like this (complete sanding + rotary buffing + wax) may go for $50.
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In the case, I suppose the guy above was able to get rid of sanding marks, that's why I've said earlier regarding the 'excess of precaution'. It may be done.

alright thanks for the tips. Is it safe to use compound with a da to try to remove light scratches on my car?

Try to work your way learning how to use the machine, then go stepping up in speed, pads, compound, until you master the technique, and more importantly, the 'do's and don'ts. If you tried to remove that scratch with a very coarse approach, even with a DA, I suspect you would end with the same messy results. It's not 'force', it's way.

Ouch.... you're not the first one so don't feel bad.



Sometimes it's better to improve a scratch than to try to 100% remove a scratch

And the reason why is because factory clearcoats are THIN. You just don't have much material to work with.

If you must sand, get some #3000 or even #5000 Trizact 3" sanding discs as you can use these by hand or by machine.

:)

Credits of the 'Towel Test' for striking through clear coat assessment goes to Mike Phillips.

+1 on the crowd you are not the first, neither the last.

Do more test spots, stop during work to observe what's going on, before going too far at once.

Definitively get a test panel if you are willing to learn safe and fast.

Best Wishes
 
The car is 100% safe from rust as it stands. There is no metal exposed so just seal it and don't worry. On the cheap you can get a blend done and improve it 90% (be a soft line barely visible) for cheap.

With regards to sanding, I feel it is something too readily available to inexperienced detailers. Sanding is best properly taught by an expert (takes 10+ years of doing it day in day out to be a true expert), there is so much feel and visual understanding behind it, can't be taught from a book. One thing I can pass on is don't let this scare you (when a horse kicks you off, get back on). Judging from the look, seems as though you were pressing far too hard (remember this, the pressure should be enough to just hold the paper to the paint). It's good you let your paper soak though! I keep mine 24/7 in a bucket - really changes the entire ability.

Best deal now, go pick up a junk panel from a body shop or scrap yard, and practice.
 
thanks for all your help. To the above comment then yes I must have pressed way too hard. I already want to find a junk panel from a car since i want to learn how to use the flex 3403. I read that it was a good entry level rotary if you have already practiced with a da polisher. what type of place might offer a blend? would it still work even though i have no clear coat left in that spot?
 
thanks for all your help. To the above comment then yes I must have pressed way too hard. I already want to find a junk panel from a car since i want to learn how to use the flex 3403. I read that it was a good entry level rotary if you have already practiced with a da polisher. what type of place might offer a blend? would it still work even though i have no clear coat left in that spot?

A blend is basically where they will sand down and paint that spot blending in the base and clear coats, rather than doing the entire door. Any good reputable body shop (I prefer custom shops - more skilled painters) will do it no problem for a few hundred!
 
Also to add, get the PE14. 3403 is good, but can't keep up with the PE14. If you are going to spend some decent money on a polisher, get one that will last. Mine is great!
 
So is sealant a way to save the paint under neath? I dont want to leave it exposed but cant dish out hundreds of dollars for a repaint
 
So is sealant a way to save the paint under neath? I dont want to leave it exposed but cant dish out hundreds of dollars for a repaint

It will probably be 2-3 years before that exposed base coat starts to oxidize bad and fails without sealant. With sealant, well much longer if something is always applied. If I was in your shoes, seal it and leave it until you start to go crazy. My MB bumper was resprayed between factory and dealership, it was missing a special primer (unique to MB and their plastic/composite painting sequence) started to chip up over the exhaust. I coated it and didn't bother with it until it drove me up the wall recently.
 
I had some clear coat failure on a 97 ram a while back ago but it was because it sat for years by the beach under the sun. What i did was i bought some dupli color clear coat and sprayed the area. It looked like crap at first but once i wet sanded and buffed it looked like there was never a problem. You can try spraying a light coat of clear on it and wet sand it again to even it out. Then buff out the scratches. It may not look perfect but at least that area wont rust.

Also if you cant afford to re spray the car then you can get it wrapped in vinyl.


+1
There are vids for this on YOu Tube. and this is what I would do also. tape it off, clean with IPA, or lightly with some laqure thinner, and then a light coat of Duplicor clear. it will fill in the marks, and you can lightly wet sand it again and then hit it with an orange pad and some 105 ( you can get that at a auto store they now carry it most places) then polish and seal. but yea easy thing is just to seal the crap out of it.
 
Sorry to bring back an old thread (well only a few days old) but I bought a test panel from a scrap yard. I got a dark green hood from a 1990 subaru, he was not sure what model. I tried wet sanding a section on it and it went perfectly. Is the paint from a 90s car harder or something? I used a 2500 grit sandpaper after being soaked in water. I then followed it up with an orange ccs pad on the flex 3403 with some mg ultimate compound. Paint looks amazing for the age. A few deep scratches that I cant get out but overall good. I would love to do this to my whole car but am pretty nervous.
 
You burned the clear coat. The best option is taking it to a shop they'll do blend repair.
 
Sorry to bring back an old thread (well only a few days old) but I bought a test panel from a scrap yard. I got a dark green hood from a 1990 subaru, he was not sure what model. I tried wet sanding a section on it and it went perfectly. Is the paint from a 90s car harder or something? I used a 2500 grit sandpaper after being soaked in water. I then followed it up with an orange ccs pad on the flex 3403 with some mg ultimate compound. Paint looks amazing for the age. A few deep scratches that I cant get out but overall good. I would love to do this to my whole car but am pretty nervous.

older OE two stage paint was not metered as precisely as it is now. nowadays, they have to fit a lot of features into a car for what is a proportionate amount of money to the less feature-filled cars of yore. thus, they need to figure out where they can cut corners. mass production painting using electrostatic processes and robots assures they can use the least amount of paint possible to get the job done.

there is no need to wet sand an entire new Subaru. plus it's just not wise. Subaru paint nowadays is WAY too thin and WAY too...sticky...to play around with sanding. use the least aggressive pad/machine/product possible then increase the aggression until you get the results you want. there is a lot of checking your work, etc. when doing that but at least you come upon the least aggressive combo that completes the task, that you can then take to the rest of the car.
 
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