Microfiber Cutting Pads

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Mike,

I watched the Meg's video about the Meguiars DA Microfiber Correction System. In the video it was explained that cleaning pads often was essential.

My question is, how often should the cutting pad be changed? Does the MF cutting pad enable you to simply clean often and use less pads?

I do not have a pad cleaner and I'm trying to figure out how many Cutting pads I need per vehicle.

Thanks!
 
Yes, I have done a complete car with one pad. I clean the pad after every pass with an air compressor.
 
So cleaning the pad gets enough product and paint out of the pad to use a whole car?

I'm liking these pads more and more!
 
Grifffx4 said:
So cleaning the pad gets enough product and paint out of the pad to use a whole car?

I'm liking these pads more and more!
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Very dependent on the polish or compound you are using, but yes it's possible to only use one pad if cleaned rigorously and religiously. I've done it successfully with d300 before.
 
cleaning the pads more often is best for these pads because once the fibers on the pads starts to stick to each other, the cutting ability will be less.

if you don't access to an air compressor like I am, you can use a cleaning brush for foam pads to re-fluff the fibers.

good luck
 
If the paint has been deconed properly, one pad can work. I actually prefer using a brush to compressed air, but that's just me. I clean the pad every time I finish a section, before I load up more compound. I also spritz with Poorboy's Spray and Wipe every third or fourth time as well.
 
I use a combination of brush and air. But once the fibers begin to stick, cleaning needs to be done more often and finally needs to be changed. Especially the cutting disc when using more force to correct deeper scratches. Think it's the heat and force that makes the fibers stick. Maybe I use the wrong technique since I just starting using the microfiber system.
 
Good to hear. I was thinking I would need to buy 8-12 cutting pads just to do one vehicle, like with foam pads.
 
Just got my Meg's starter kit in.

With these MF pads, would there be any reason to buy multiple foam pads ever again?
 
I think you pretty much have your answer, but I will echo the previous posters in that you can go a long way with a MF Cutting "Disc", but you do need to clean it. I clean mine often and if you do, you can get stellar results. I use air and I also usually use two pads regardless, maybe one gets the vertical surfaces and the other gets the horizontal.

HUMP
 
I think its good to have a few microfiber pads, especially if you have a business or are doing multiple cars.

The backing gets a bit hot when doing heavy work and can warp and delaminate the pad. So its good to have atleast an extra pad to switch as necessary
 
Grifffx4 said:
Mike,

I watched the Meg's video about the Meguiars DA Microfiber Correction System. In the video it was explained that cleaning pads often was essential.

My question is, how often should the cutting pad be changed?
Thanks!
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The "blanket answer" could easily be to say 4 or more... but its hard to say.

HONESTLY, There is no blanket answer here.. Its actually a quite complicated and intricate thing to determine and almost impossible for an outsider to do so when not knowing all of the variables involved in a particular project.

Its almost entirely dependent on a number of variables such as: the Type of paint (easy to level or difficult to level)defect level, compound used, pad type used, machine used, and methodology of buffing.

PAINT TYPE - some paints cut easy and thus clog up a pad quickly. Where as others are very hard to level and take a long while to clog up the pad. However the pads used on harder paints may want to be cleaned as frequently, if not more, than the pads used on soft paint because they are clogged with harder paint residue which can scratch the surface.

DEFECT LEVEL - the more defects that a present and removed the faster a pad will clog up and be dirty beyond usable returns.

COMPOUND USED - depending on the compound, some remove faster than others due to being more aggressive and also have more grit in them which can also clog up a pad.

PAD TYPE USED - is the pad a cutting or finishing type. Whos the manufacturer? Because different manufacturers have differing levels of aggressiveness for their pads.

MACHINE USED - a tall stoke DA with a 21mm will remove paint much more rapidly than a DA with a standard 8mm stroke.

METHODOLOGY OF BUFFING - depending on how the detailers buffs - short or long cycle, amount of pressure etc etc a pad can clog up much faster than others..

While there could be a few other variables that come into play these are the major ones that make this an almost impossible question to answer.
 
You folks using the microfiber pads, are you using the products the Meguiar's suggests (D30016 correction compound & D30216 Microfiber Polish) or are you using something else?
 
Grifffx4 said:
Mike,

I watched the Meg's video about the Meguiars DA Microfiber Correction System. In the video it was explained that cleaning pads often was essential.

My question is, how often should the cutting pad be changed? Does the MF cutting pad enable you to simply clean often and use less pads?

I do not have a pad cleaner and I'm trying to figure out how many Cutting pads I need per vehicle.

Thanks!
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Here's the deal... having more pads on hand is better than having a few pads, that's a general rule of thumb so let your budget be your guide.

I always see people post the best way to clean a microfiber pad is with compressed air, as using an air squirter to blast air at the pad and this is the best way.

The thing is though... not everyone has an air compressor...

I show 6 ways to clean a microfiber pad in my how-to book on pages 89 and 90,

1. Compressed air using an air squirter.

2. A bug sponge - Due credit to Joe Fernandez for this idea.

3. A nylon pad conditioning brush.

4. Pad washer.

5. Machine washing.

6. Hand washing.



Of course the washing methods kind of take the pad out of action until they dry.


As for how many pads do you need to buff out a car?

If you're going to do this for money then speed is key to maximize profit while minimizing time buffing and the first step is the step that takes the longest no matter what type of tool, pad or product you use so that ties directly to your cutting pad question.

More pads are better. It's faster to switch to a clean, dry pad after each panel than to try to buff out an entire car with just one or two pads.

PLUS you'll find your pads will last longer because you're not punishing them by pushing them to the limit each time you buff out a car.

Meguiar's recommends a max OPM of 4800 OPM which is the 4.0 Speed setting on the G110v2 and an important part of the reason why they recommend this speed setting is to avoid generating too much heat which will cause the adhesive used to make the pad to fail.

Most guys operate under if a little is good, more is better and that applies to buffing speed to but it's not what the manufacturer recommends.

So if you're going to be buffing out average sized passenger cars, suvs and trucks, I'd recommend getter 6-8 pads or 3-4 packages of Meguiar's Microfiber pads as they come in 2-packs.


:)
 
And for reference for people that will read this thread into the future....


The first Meguiar's/Autogeek video on the Meguiar's Microfiber DA Correction System


Mike with Jason and Mike from Meguiars, introducing the new DA Microfiber Correction System.


[video=youtube_share;WhJYFLgIjhE"]YouTube - Autogeek.net - New Meguiars Microfiber...[/video]​
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The Meguiar's video on the Meguiar's Microfiber DA Correction System


[video=youtube_share;qmBACx72h4g"]YouTube - D.A. Microfiber Correction System --...[/video]​

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The updated second Meguiar's/Autogeek video on the Meguiar's Microfiber DA Correction System.



Last summer, Jason Rose and Mike Pennington joined me here in sunny Stuart, Florida to shoot a new video to introduce the new products and improvements to their already successful Microfiber DA Correction System.

Check it out...


New Meguiar's MF Training Video​


[video=youtube_share;AawmvM5Jo24"]Video showing before and after[/video]​





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SATracker said:
You folks using the microfiber pads, are you using the products the Meguiar's suggests (D30016 correction compound & D30216 Microfiber Polish) or are you using something else?
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d300
D301
D302
M100
m101
M151
fg400

I have used all of the above with very good results.
 
Thanks Mike!

One more question, what setting would equal Speed 4 on Griots DA? I've read that the Griots DA is a little more powerful so I'm not sure the speed settings are the same as the G110.
 
I'm not sure what sure would be exact but I have had great results setting my griots to 4 or 4.5 in the dial for the cutting it pads and 2 to 3 for the polishing pads.
 
SATracker said:
You folks using the microfiber pads, are you using the products the Meguiar's suggests (D30016 correction compound & D30216 Microfiber Polish) or are you using something else?
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I tend to use the D300 and have fantastic results. Every now and then with hard(er) paint, I will throw in a dot or two of M105 as well as the D300. Cuts a little more and far less dust than M105 by itself. Hope this helps! The Meg's DA MF kit is a game changer, IMO.
 
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